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Reply #10 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:43pm
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Possibly Logical wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
it makes a lot more sense



I think you've discovered why Wally and Seawolf loves them some coal.

  

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Re: EPA Announces end of Obama's "Clean Power Plan"
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Possibly Logical wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Not only does coal have a high CO2 footprint, but it also has a lot of harmful chemicals. You will be driving up medical costs, shortening life expectancy instead, and decreasing quality of life. For a wealthy nation, these should be more important than having a slightly cheaper source of energy.

Given how plentiful natural gas has become and how much lower its environmental cost is, it makes a lot more sense to focus on more on natural gas than on coal.


Here in WV the shale play is the only thing keeping the economy moving. Even with all the wells, pipelines, crowded court houses (record searches) and Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana license plates, locals STILL believe in coal and its comeback. The denial reaches all the way up to the state legislature.

Truly a study in denial.

Just up the river is Pittsburgh, PA which USED to be another Rust Belt metropolis that relied on coal to fuel the mills and factories. Well, the mills and factories, along with demand for coal is gone and the city spent the past ten years reinventing itself as a tech hub, successfully. They fixed the problem by adapting. Charleston's still fixing the blame. :/
  

For too long have we sat under the thumb of mankind! The time has come to *oppose* that thumb!

A nothing burger!
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Reply #12 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 2:22pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 2:09pm:
Here in WV the shale play is the only thing keeping the economy moving. Even with all the wells, pipelines, crowded court houses (record searches) and Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana license plates, locals STILL believe in coal and its comeback. The denial reaches all the way up to the state legislature.

Truly a study in denial.

Just up the river is Pittsburgh, PA which USED to be another Rust Belt metropolis that relied on coal to fuel the mills and factories. Well, the mills and factories, along with demand for coal is gone and the city spent the past ten years reinventing itself as a tech hub, successfully. They fixed the problem by adapting. Charleston's still fixing the blame. :/


Excellent post. 

Plus the anti-American policies of Republicans will further hurt the remaining coal miners.



In the short term, however, Republican policy making could have an adverse effect on rank and file coal miners, retired miners, and their families. While the issues at hand are relatively narrow, they are critically important to tens of thousands of mining families throughout Appalachia who are struggling to make ends meet.

Black lung disease. For years, coal miners and their families were rebuffed by mining companies in attempting to collect compensation for disabilities associated with respiratory problems developed by inhaling coal mine dust. The biggest problem was that by law the burden of proof fell to the disabled miners, their families or survivors to demonstrate that the miners’ respiratory problems were real and directly related to years of work in company mines.

But as the health and science website STAT reported Monday, that all began to change with enactment of the Affordable Care Act in 2010. Under an obscure miscellaneous provision added by the late Democratic Sen. Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, the burden of proof was abruptly shifted from the disabled miners to the mining companies themselves.

In effect, if a miner had spent 15 years or more working underground for a company and could prove that he or she had developed a respiratory disability, then it was presumed to be black lung associated with employment at the mine. And unless the company could somehow prove otherwise, it would be responsible for providing disability benefits to the miner or his survivors.

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Republicans are desperate to overturn this provision of the ACA that helps American citizens.

  

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Re: EPA Announces end of Obama's "Clean Power Plan"
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I sooo miss Byrd. :/
  

For too long have we sat under the thumb of mankind! The time has come to *oppose* that thumb!

A nothing burger!
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Cloistered Cyber Monk-Local47 wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
Yes..I understand that ignorant people are still pushing coal.



This is why, despite the fact that renewables took the lion's share of new electrical generating capacity installed last year, it was natural gas that seized the largest share of power production from coal utilities. EIA numbers show that between 2014 and 2015, the amount of power generated from coal in the U.S. fell by 226,000 gigawatt-hours (GWh). At the same time, the amount of power produced from natural gas increased by 208,000 GWh. Renewables, on the other hand, contributed a mere 10,000 GWh year-over-year increase.



https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2016.03.16/main.png


Forbes

China & India are far more dependent upon coal than we are and guess what the stupid Paris Climate Accord exempted both of them from meeting any standards.  Then, it never was about coal or green energy or saving the climate or the earth..it's about tyrannical Stateism control of our daily lives in the name of something other than the fascism it really is!
  

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The Original Wally wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
t's about tyrannical Stateism control of our daily lives in the name of something other than the fascism it really is!



Of course it is. 

BTW . Your tin foil hat is on crooked. 

  

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And yet another thing I can point to when someone asks, "What has Trump ever accomplished"?
  


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Jasmine wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
And yet another thing I can point to when someone asks, "What has Trump ever accomplished"?

Trump is dealing with the issues as best he can.  I do feel somewhat uncomfortable as to what he lays on the table as 'negotiable' (such as Amnesty for the DOCA Illegals) but it's befining to look like he's willing to give a little to get a whole lot if the other side is willing to deal.
  

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Re: EPA Announces end of Obama's "Clean Power Plan"
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Seawolf wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:39am:
Outstanding.


Why?
  


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Re: EPA Announces end of Obama's "Clean Power Plan"
Reply #19 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 9:45pm
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Possibly Logical wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Not only does coal have a high CO2 footprint, but it also has a lot of harmful chemicals. You will be driving up medical costs, shortening life expectancy instead, and decreasing quality of life. For a wealthy nation, these should be more important than having a slightly cheaper source of energy.

Given how plentiful natural gas has become and how much lower its environmental cost is, it makes a lot more sense to focus on more on natural gas than on coal.



Yes.

For around the next decade or three.

Then it's wind, tide,  ocean current and solar, plus whatever comes along.

Fossil fuels are dying.

Only the halfwits who lick the propaganda salt say otherwise.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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