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Reply #20 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:05am
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admin wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:42pm:
- i said "expanding it - not even a small 10% "

- we're talking about a number increase policy 10% or 10X or other
- every President should say what Trump said about improving nukes or such
- the fake news claim was about a number of 10x
- either Trump has a position of increasing the numbers by 10% or 10x or other or he doesn't
- he doesn't
- and all they had to do was Ask the Trump administration! - why didn't they? - then they couldn't write their fake news story to fool liberals and smear the President

- Trump has no policy of increasing nukes by 10X - therefore its fake news - all they had to do was ask - he either had a policy or he doesn't - and he doesn't - its policy that would be well known and he would have said it if so - why do still want to believe fake news?

Trump said he wanted to greatly strengthen and expand US nuclear capability. Sorry, that is a WORLD different from your claim that: Trump never said he was for even expanding it - not even a small 10%.

You can dance around this all you want but you're whistling in the wind. Damage was done in your OP. You can't complain about the media MAYBE misrepresenting by yourself MISREPRESENTING the facts. Your debate was DOA from your very first post.

All you can do with the 10x thing is claim the media made it up or the anonymous sources made it up, but you can't prove it other than by saying it defies common sense as Trump never said he wanted to increase nukes. But....oops! Trump DID say he wanted to greatly strengthen and expand US nuclear capability. Trump's statement makes the 10x sound at least plausible and your misrepresenting of the facts kills your credibility to go after the media.

Stick a fork in this thread, you lost the attempt to spin it.
  

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Reply #21 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 2:44am
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admin wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
- most can be 99% but saying 10x is the problem and fake news
- if someone says 99.99% positive about you but says .01% negative that ruins your reputation (you become hated and lose your job, friends, marriage, money because of the lie) is that ok?


Nobody knows if it was fake or not.  Anonymous sources made the claim, but based on Trumps own tweets he said he wanted to "Greatly expand it".

Does anyone know the exact amount?  No.  Do we really know he wanted 10x?  No.  But based on Trumps own tweets and his other exaggerations that he has made it's seems very plausible that he might have said something like that.

Of course whether he really meant it or not is a different story.  IF he did say it he was probably just throwing random shit out there not realizing that people pay attention to what he is actually saying.
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 4:53am
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Lomelis wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 2:44am:
Does anyone know the exact amount?  No.  Do we really know he wanted 10x?  No.  But based on Trumps own tweets and his other exaggerations that he has made it's seems very plausible that he might have said something like that.

Of course whether he really meant it or not is a different story.  IF he did say it he was probably just throwing random shit out there not realizing that people pay attention to what he is actually saying.


I think the most plausible situation is that he saw the downward sloping graph and got upset.  He said 10x as an exaggeration but really meant something like two or three times. In response to the leak, Trump said it was "fake news" because it was something that was critical of him.

It's funny that his supporters rally behind claims of "fake news". It should be obvious that this is a distraction tactic.
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 5:14am
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Ah.... the "Fake news" free,  get out of jail card for Trump Wink
  

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Reply #24 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:06am
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Not sure why expanding it is a bad thing?  He has also stated he wants to modernize it, again, not sure why it is a bad thing but we have bun wearing liberals who are terrorized by guns and nukes so why should any of us be shocked that they are shocked?
  


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Reply #25 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:08am
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Luther wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 5:14am:
Ah.... the "Fake news" free,  get out of jail card for Trump Wink

The press has been caught multiple times lying or spreading lies without verification.  They destroyed their own credibility, not Trump.  I mean the liberal media has blatantly shown it's bias over the decades.
  


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Reply #26 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:25am
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Seawolf wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:06am:
Not sure why expanding it is a bad thing?  He has also stated he wants to modernize it, again, not sure why it is a bad thing but we have bun wearing liberals who are terrorized by guns and nukes so why should any of us be shocked that they are shocked?


We've spent a few decades in nuke-reduction talks with the Russians to dial DOWN the crazy.  Also, nukes are hideously expensive, so if you're going to claim that we need the capability to incinerate our enemies 20x over instead of just 10x, then the burden of explaining WHY will have to fall on you.  Because logic.
  

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Reply #27 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:32am
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Seawolf wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:08am:
The press has been caught multiple times lying or spreading lies without verification.  They destroyed their own credibility, not Trump.  I mean the liberal media has blatantly shown it's bias over the decades.



Really?

Well, sounds pretty close to me

No seawolf, Trumps Fake-news has more to do with his stupidity and criticism of him

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The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes
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Reply #28 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:50am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:25am:
We've spent a few decades in nuke-reduction talks with the Russians to dial DOWN the crazy.  Also, nukes are hideously expensive, so if you're going to claim that we need the capability to incinerate our enemies 20x over instead of just 10x, then the burden of explaining WHY will have to fall on you.  Because logic.


While we're dialing down rogue nations are dialing up. Brilliant containment strategy.
  
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Reply #29 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 1:19pm
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Seawolf wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:08am:
The press has been caught multiple times lying or spreading lies without verification.  They destroyed their own credibility, not Trump.  I mean the liberal media has blatantly shown it's bias over the decades.


I don't think so.  I think it's funny how people will follow right wing blowhards around, even taking their names as a screen name, and then bedamn the media for "bias."  Every human being has a bias, some more than others, and every human being has to work to combat that bias.  Reporters generally work harder at that than others do.  Op ed writers, on the other hand, and right wing blowhards on the radio, are not expected to.  Bias is part of their schtick.

All the press does is follow people like Trump around, writing down what they say and taking pictures of what they do.  But people like Trump, who act on impulse rather than carefully considering their acts, frequently don't like seeing what they said in print or seeing what they did in pictures.  So they deny having said it or done it. 

I would LOVE to see an actual example of what you would call an "unbiased" media.  I bet it would look a lot like the Pravda of the USSR days.
  

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