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- Trump signs executive order to change Obamacare
Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:52am
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Re: - Trump signs executive order to change Obamacare
Reply #1 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:53am
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- will it gut Obamacare?
  

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Re: - Trump signs executive order to change Obamacare
Reply #2 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:22pm
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admin wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:53am:
- will it gut Obamacare?


Actually, like the Children's Health Insurance Program that the far-right just ended so that billionaires get a tax break, it'll gut Americans.

Just more proof that the Right loves America but just can't stand the people that live in it.

  

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Re: - Trump signs executive order to change Obamacare
Reply #3 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:58pm
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admin wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:53am:
- will it gut Obamacare?


Probably.  That's the only way he can fulfill his prophecy (and not just his, but all the R's) that "Obamacare is in a death spiral."  They will have to kill it for that to become true.

It's like they'll be standing over a corpse they just killed saying "See, I told you he was dying."
  

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Re: - Trump signs executive order to change Obamacare
Reply #4 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 2:43pm
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The impact of this will be minimal, but what little effect it has will be good.  It doesn't involve any major federal spending.  But a loosening of regulations to improve access to health care coverage.
  
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Re: - Trump signs executive order to change Obamacare
Reply #5 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 2:49pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 2:43pm:
The impact of this will be minimal, but what little effect it has will be good.  It doesn't involve any major federal spending.  But a loosening of regulations to improve access to health care coverage.


Most of which will not be much worth having.  The young and healthy, who don't use much healthcare, will be sucked out of a pool that includes those who DO, and for whom premiums will skyrocket.  Then, as those young, smug, "why should we pay more for health insurance just to help out old farts" become old farts themselves, they will be nonplussed at what happens to them.  And the new set of young, smug folks will be saying "neener! neener!" to them as they get low cost, low coverage "health insurance." And the cycle will repeat until we have some sort of universal coverage, and that WILL happen.  Because, as Winston Churchill said, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing once they have exhausted all other options."
  

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admin wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:53am:
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It's now Trumpcare...
  
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Re: - Trump signs executive order to change Obamacare
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Possibly Logical wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 2:52pm:
It's now Trumpcare...

- yes Trumpcare plans started under Trump vs Obama and Democrats failed Obamacare plans (collapsing)
  

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Re: - Trump signs executive order to change Obamacare
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EF wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 12:58pm:
Probably.  That's the only way he can fulfill his prophecy (and not just his, but all the R's) that "Obamacare is in a death spiral."  They will have to kill it for that to become true.

It's like they'll be standing over a corpse they just killed saying "See, I told you he was dying."

- if Obamacare was good why would it collapse or die? - people would want it if it was so good as the Democrats promised
  

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Re: - Trump signs executive order to change Obamacare
Reply #9 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 3:02pm
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EF wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Most of which will not be much worth having.


That is for each those that have it to decide.  Not for you to decide for each of them. 

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The young and healthy, who don't use much healthcare, will be sucked out of a pool that includes those who DO, and for whom premiums will skyrocket. 


How do you figure that is going to happen?

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Then, as those young, smug, "why should we pay more for health insurance just to help out old farts" become old farts themselves, they will be nonplussed at what happens to them.


Well, since they know that health maintenance gets more expensive as they age, they ought to be well prepared.  And if they are not, they deserve to be nonplussed.

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And the new set of young, smug folks will be saying "neener! neener!" to them as they get low cost, low coverage "health insurance."  And the cycle will repeat until we have some sort of universal coverage, and that WILL happen.  Because, as Winston Churchill said, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing once they have exhausted all other options."


Yes.  The natural cycle of people who ought to have the most money saved, also have the highest cost of healthcare.  Let's hope we get over this desire to subsidize the folks who should have been saving their whole like to meet their higher costs, on the backs of those that are closer to the start of their career and have not had nearly the opportunity to grow their savings and earning power.
  
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