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Re: Millennials would rather live in socialist or communist nation than in capitalism: Po
Reply #160 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 1:08pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Drama queen.


Wah.
  
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Re: Millennials would rather live in socialist or communist nation than in capitalism: Po
Reply #161 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 1:12pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 5:19pm:
Not necessarily.  Milton Friedman was a Nobel Peace Prize winning economist back in the days when it wasn't a Participation Award.  His views about economic are as universal as those of Adam Smith.



I know that, and I watched the first video through. Skipped through the others to be honest.


Point is, you're - and he's - talking about two different things.

The modern left is not what you imagine it to be. Seriously.

Look at the socio-economic and political models in the UK, and Western Europe, and Australia, and New Zealand, and honestly tell me how they're radically worse on any meaningful measure than that in the US.
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Under Capitalism, Man exploits Man.

Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Re: Millennials would rather live in socialist or communist nation than in capitalism: Po
Reply #162 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 1:14pm
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Harry and company wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 1:08pm:
Wah.

Looks like you've "won" another "debate."

Congrats!
  

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"In the first place, the dichotomy between "theoretical" and "practical" is a false one. In economics, all arguments are theoretical. And, since economics discusses the real world, these theoretical arguments are by their nature "practical" ones as well." M Rothbard
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Reply #163 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 1:14pm:
Looks like you've "won" another "debate."

Congrats!


Wah.
  
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Re: Millennials would rather live in socialist or communist nation than in capitalism: Po
Reply #164 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 1:18pm
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Limey wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 1:12pm:
I know that, and I watched the first video through. Skipped through the others to be honest.


Point is, you're - and he's - talking about two different things.

The modern left is not what you imagine it to be. Seriously.

Look at the sociopathic economic and political models in the UK, and Western Europe, and Australia, and New Zealand, and honestly tell me how they're radically worse on any meaningful measure than that in the US.


Here is someone that perhaps you can relate to...

“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.” —Perth, Scotland, 28 May 1948, in Churchill, Europe Unite: Speeches 1947 & 1948 (London: Cassell, 1950), 347.

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The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” —House of Commons, 22 October 1945.

" https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/socialism-is-the-philosophy-of-failure-wi...

Milton Friedman and Churchill make the same points.


  

" The few will always act like the few.

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Reply #165 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 2:55pm
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So, like I said, it's different now.


Those quotes are from 3/4 of a century ago.


Churchill, for all his qualities, wasn't exactly fair minded about socialist ideas you know.

Possibly that's why he was defeated in the election during the War.
  

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Reply #166 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 3:08pm
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Limey wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 2:55pm:
So, like I said, it's different now.


Those quotes are from 3/4 of a century ago.


Churchill, for all his qualities, wasn't exactly fair minded about socialist ideas you know.

Possibly that's why he was defeated in the election during the War.


Is being "fair" about socialist ideas required?
  
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Reply #167 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 3:21pm
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Harry and company wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 3:08pm:
Is being "fair" about socialist ideas required?



Any normally intelligent person would aim to be fair minded on every subject   


You go your own way if you like.
  

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Reply #168 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 3:22pm
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Limey wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
Any normally intelligent person would aim to be fair minded on every subject   


You go your own way if you like.


We must accept that which we disagree with. Limey.
  
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Reply #169 - Nov 13th, 2017 at 3:34pm
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Harry and company wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 3:22pm:
We must accept that which we disagree with. Limey.


Being fair minded is not the same as accepting.


Unless there's an English /American English usage difference perhaps?
  

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