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Re: SCOTUS to begin to hear oral arguments: Wedding cakes v. religious beliefs?
Reply #30 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:25am
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BowHunter wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:16am:
Do you think that when a baker writes "I love you", that means that he loves the person who's the recipient of the cake? What if he dislikes that person, is that cause to refuse to make the cake, on the grounds of freedom of expression? With your logic, a baker can refuse any order, on a whim.

There are far broader issues involved here and I think you know it.  A Klansman could require a Kosher Bakery to cater a meeting of the Klan. (or a Black owned bakery to do the same thing) and inscribe words that while they may not be defined as Hate Speech, promote this organization and what it stands for! 

Hell, white eyes could require a Native American owned ice cream shop to cater Custards Last Stand!  ( you want-um two HEAP BIG scoops?  Cost you much wampum!)  Roll Eyes
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Re: SCOTUS to begin to hear oral arguments: Wedding cakes v. religious beliefs?
Reply #31 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 9:01am
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BowHunter wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:16am:
Do you think that when a baker writes "I love you", that means that he loves the person who's the recipient of the cake? What if he dislikes that person, is that cause to refuse to make the cake, on the grounds of freedom of expression? With your logic, a baker can refuse any order, on a whim.

You are dodging Wally’s valid point, we know you will not answer it.
  


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Reply #32 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 2:45pm
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BowHunter wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 7:14am:
THere's no such thing as a right to discriminate.


LOL.  Of course there is.  People discriminate every day.  You probably did at lunch today.

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Do you think that when a baker writes "I love you", that means that he loves the person who's the recipient of the cake?


More likely it means that he is taking part in and expressing acceptance of said love (provided he knows the details).

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What if he dislikes that person, is that cause to refuse to make the cake, on the grounds of freedom of expression? With your logic, a baker can refuse any order, on a whim.


Which is proper logic.  Why should someone be forced to associate?

What if this gay couple operated a bakery, and were asked to make a "God Hates F***" cake for the Westboro Baptist Church?  Should they be required to?   I don't think so.
  
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Re: SCOTUS to begin to hear oral arguments: Wedding cakes v. religious beliefs?
Reply #33 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 2:56pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
Why should someone be forced to associate?


It's in the contract.  The baker agreed to associate with anyone entering his shop when he applied for and was granted a license to operate a bakery from an agency representing all the members of the community. .. including the gay ones.

wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
What if this gay couple operated a bakery, and were asked to make a "God Hates F***" cake for the Westboro Baptist Church?  Should they be required to?   I don't think so.


Yes... See above..

  
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Reply #34 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 3:14pm
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The Wreath of Khan wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
It's in the contract.  The baker agreed to associate with anyone entering his shop when he applied for and was granted a license to operate a bakery from an agency representing all the members of the community. .. including the gay ones.


A forced association is what says that he can be forced into other associations?

Or is this "contract" optional?  Can he start a bakery business without entering into this "contract"?

What is your source for the existence of this contract?
  
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Re: SCOTUS to begin to hear oral arguments: Wedding cakes v. religious beliefs?
Reply #35 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 3:35pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
A forced association is what says that he can be forced into other associations?


It wasn't forced.. The baker asked for a business license.

Unless you think someone appeared on the pre-baker's doorstep and forced him to accept a license to operate a bakery.

You may not like the business licensing system as designed but you tacitly agree by your unwillingness to relocate to where this system does not exist.   




wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
Or is this "contract" optional?  Can he start a bakery business without entering into this "contract"?


This^ is not the system that we (society, community,local,state,federal) have said works for us (society, community,local,state,federal).

You are of course free to petition for change or to find a place (society, community, local, state, federal) that better suits your tastes.



wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
What is your source for the existence of this contract?


Personal experience as a business owner.

  
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Re: SCOTUS to begin to hear oral arguments: Wedding cakes v. religious beliefs?
Reply #36 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 3:44pm
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I Wish You A Harry Christmas wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Your ridiculousness is truly funny.

Is ridiculousness the politically correct way of saying stupidity?
  

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Re: SCOTUS to begin to hear oral arguments: Wedding cakes v. religious beliefs?
Reply #37 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 3:50pm
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The Wreath of Khan wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
It's in the contract.  The baker agreed to associate with anyone entering his shop when he applied for and was granted a license to operate a bakery from an agency representing all the members of the community. .. including the gay ones.


Yes... See above..


That's total bullshit nothing in a business license says who I have to serve HENCE it's why you see signs everywhere saying WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE .
  

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Re: SCOTUS to begin to hear oral arguments: Wedding cakes v. religious beliefs?
Reply #38 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 4:08pm
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RWB wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
That's total bullshit nothing in a business license says who I have to serve HENCE it's why you see signs everywhere saying WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE .



Yea.. There's a "No Guns" sign on the door too. .. .

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Re: SCOTUS to begin to hear oral arguments: Wedding cakes v. religious beliefs?
Reply #39 - Dec 5th, 2017 at 4:13pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
A forced association is what says that he can be forced into other associations?

Or is this "contract" optional?  Can he start a bakery business without entering into this "contract"?

What is your source for the existence of this contract?



Also note that the bakery owner can price his cakes at anything he'd like.. .. Special orders are always welcome ..


The price for a "Harry and Bert" wedding cake is $10,000,000.00 ..

  
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