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Reply #50 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:07pm
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a BAKER is not a priest, rabbi or pastor & a BAKERY is NOT a place of worship, unless perhaps the Pillsbury Dough Boy is believed to be the savior. 

many "believers" used their religious beliefs to discriminate against blacks just as they are now using them to discriminate against LGBTQs.

in the words of men far smarter than myself All Men Are Created Equal. I for one think that they should be treated equally.

  
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Reply #51 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:09pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:19pm:
Why aren't they bound to this mythical contract?


There is nothing mythical about a business license ..  of which a church does not require for obvious reasons ..  which brings us to the answer of your question.



  
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Reply #52 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:14pm
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USyeah wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:07pm:
a BAKER is not a priest, rabbi or pastor & a BAKERY is NOT a place of worship, unless perhaps the Pillsbury Dough Boy is believed to be the savior. 

many "believers" used their religious beliefs to discriminate against blacks just as they are now using them to discriminate against LGBTQs.

in the words of men far smarter than myself All Men Are Created Equal. I for one think that they should be treated equally.


So your First Amendment rights end when you walk out of the church.  The libtardetry gets ever more confused.   Smiley
  
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Reply #53 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:24pm
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USyeah wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:07pm:
, unless perhaps the Pillsbury Dough Boy is believed to be the savior.



Little known fact .. .. ..

Many once believed Poppin' Fresh to be the messiah but attempts to nail him to a cross proved to be a bit too tedious as the "dough" boy was constantly sliding off the nails.


Afterwards Pontius Pilate was heard to say... "I should have baked him first."..
  
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Reply #54 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:40pm
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is that how we got hot cross buns    Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #55 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:41pm
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USyeah wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:07pm:
a BAKER is not a priest, rabbi or pastor & a BAKERY is NOT a place of worship, unless perhaps the Pillsbury Dough Boy is believed to be the savior. 


So if he slapped a religious sounding title and set of rituals on his business, he can get out of these various requirements?  Like I said, arbitrary.

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many "believers" used their religious beliefs to discriminate against blacks just as they are now using them to discriminate against LGBTQs.


But not this guy.  He is using them to discriminate against certain ways of expressing himself.  He is willing to and does sell things to people without regard for their LGBTQ status.  Most times, probably without knowing.

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in the words of men far smarter than myself All Men Are Created Equal. I for one think that they should be treated equally.



Before the law, yes.  Which is why a same sex marriage participant should not be placed above a Christian man before the law.  Which is what is happening when the Christian man is forced to associate on the whims of the same sex marriage participant.  I prefer that the law treat them equally, rather than bestow some privilege on one to be used to dictate to the other.

The Wreath of Khan wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:09pm:
There is nothing mythical about a business license ..  of which a church does not require for obvious reasons ..


I am talking about the contract that has placed a person in the situation of "agree to the terms of this license or don't operate a business".  <--- that is not a valid contract.  It is entered into by force.  If one is not given the option to operate a business without associating with the bureau that issues the license, it is not a freely entered agreement and thus an infringement of one's rights.

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which brings us to the answer of your question.


No it doesn't.  It just restates your premise.  Your premise is that a church does not have to have a license to operate because it is not a business.  But, again, why?  Why doesn't it need a license?  Arbitrary.
  
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Reply #56 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:44pm
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America is not a theocracy.


  
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Reply #57 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 12:30pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:41pm:
I am talking about the contract that has placed a person in the situation of "agree to the terms of this license or don't operate a business".  <--- that is not a valid contract.  It is entered into by force.  If one is not given the option to operate a business without associating with the bureau that issues the license, it is not a freely entered agreement and thus an infringement of one's rights..



I understand that you think that.

  
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