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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #70 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 9:36pm
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Limey wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
This is my professional area. I can tell you for a fact that food poisoning is the big fear, loss of sales due broken cooling systems is a close second, and injured maintenance staff isn’t on the list.


That’s because of the financial mechanisms.


I’m talking about conversations at the top decision making level for the UK and Europe arms of international grocers you shop in.


The priorities are as I state.


I’m sorry if this is a discordant note against your ideology. 


And I'm sorry if you are offended by my not taking your appeal to your own authority as gospel.  But I don't believe for a second that these financially obsessed people have not considered the financial ramifications of a dead employee. 

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Simple maths.


Yes, simple math shows you are wrong.  If the possibility of a 150K fine is enough to pressure someone to spend 250K, don't you think there are other factors?  Unless these financially obsessed greedy geniuses are also mathematical idiots.

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The rightful owner had died.... want to talk to the pro Israeli people about their claim, or the dispossessed (2nd gen) Palestinians?


Not particularly, no.  What does that have to do with anything?  I don't support nation-states having control over the distribution of land, remember?


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Lol. So once the last relative of the victim of theft is gone, it’s ok to claim rightful ownership.


Shaky moral ground there.


Reread my post.  That part of it was a satirical depiction of the 100% inheritance tax supporters (who, for the most part, occupy the political left).  Thank you for pointing out the shaky moral ground.  Aren't you one of them?
  
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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #71 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 9:39pm
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Oh, and IRT the OP's assertion, this leftest-libtard doesn't "hate" the free market, I'm betting everything I have on capitalism. As such, I'd like to see (((MORE))) regulation/standardization so businesses, big and small, know the rules and rates and can compete with less uncertainty. Here's an example of where government can really help the market, a single payer health insurance program.

  

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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #72 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 10:33pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
I wouldn't say that the libertarian argument is that the property situation is just and that's it.

More like, just or not in its starting point, the proper way forward is not further theft and coercion, but a diminishing of the existence of theft and coercion.


Right, which is the same thing as saying "the property distribution is just enough that we're not going to bother".  If you thought it was too unjust, you would want to alter or alleviate it.  You don't.

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I (and I consider my self to be a libertarian) could get behind undoing thefts if proof of the theft can be found and parties made whole.


Would you support returning a huge chunk of Georgia to the Cherokee?  The Trail of Tears, less than 200 years old, is very well documented.
  

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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #73 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 10:44pm
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Limey wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:09pm:
At which point the speaker said, he’d say to the farmer, “ok, you accept the principle of conquest. Put ‘em up, we fight for the land” (the speaker was a big guy, I would’ve been wary and I’m quite handy).


Coming from scrappy multi-racial mongrel stock with Scots-Irish/Borderlands culture, I would have conceded the land, backed down, then jumped him with a bat when he turned his back.

It's worth noting that the baseball bat is far superior to the cricket bat for beating another man senseless, which is yet another way that baseball is superior to cricket.
  

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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #74 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 10:47pm
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Running Deer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 10:33pm:
Right, which is the same thing as saying "the property distribution is just enough that we're not going to bother". 


No it isn't.

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If you thought it was too unjust, you would want to alter or alleviate it.  You don't.


Moving to a system of less government coercion and force IS the alteration and the alleviation I want.  You might disagree with the means, but you are wrong to say that I see the distribution of property now as 100% just.

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Would you support returning a huge chunk of Georgia to the Cherokee?  The Trail of Tears, less than 200 years old, is very well documented.


Sure, in the system I support moving to, they could bring a case before a court and make their case laying out the theft and prove which individuals or organizations have claim to land, what specific land they are the rightful owners of and who has taken it from them.  The court can then decide whether it has merit and determine the proper restitution.
  
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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #75 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:16pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Oh, and IRT the OP's assertion, this leftest-libtard doesn't "hate" the free market, I'm betting everything I have on capitalism. As such, I'd like to see (((MORE))) regulation/standardization so businesses, big and small, know the rules and rates and can compete with less uncertainty. Here's an example of where government can really help the market, a single payer health insurance program.



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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #76 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:09am
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ATF/TL, your description or definition of a "free market" and the role for gov't seems to have evolved over the years.

May I impose upon you to give us a recap of those changes and perhaps a synopsis of the thought processes involved?

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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #77 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 12:03pm
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President in Exile Bama Beau wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 9:09am:
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ATF/TL, your description or definition of a "free market" and the role for gov't seems to have evolved over the years.

May I impose upon you to give us a recap of those changes and perhaps a synopsis of the thought processes involved?

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I don't see a big change.

I still see the definition of a free market as a situation where people are free to buy and sell on their own terms, without legal privileges.

I acknowledge that not every government regulation is necessarily harmful. Those that are worthwhile I believe could and would be handled by the market, if not by the state.

We all like safe food and drugs, for example. And a trusted entity would arise to make sure these things were indeed safe.
  

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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #78 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 12:42pm
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Limey wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
A supermarket that has a salmonella outbreak loses customers.


A supermarket that has a refrigoration engineer die in a roof fall doesn't.


What do you think the supermarket does about the lack of safe access to the rooftop refrigoration plant?

Spend the £250k or fingers crossed about the £150k fine?


Limey, cmon. That’s the worst analogy. One has publicity the other does not.

Were u asleep during the B&p fiasco or Citgo Chavez boycott situation. Thousands of examples of consumers boycotting companies when they perceive the company is committing environmental or social harm
  
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Re: Why do leftist-libbies hate the free market?
Reply #79 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:46pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
I don't see a big change.

I still see the definition of a free market as a situation where people are free to buy and sell on their own terms, without legal privileges.

I acknowledge that not every government regulation is necessarily harmful. Those that are worthwhile I believe could and would be handled by the market, if not by the state.

We all like safe food and drugs, for example. And a trusted entity would arise to make sure these things were indeed safe.


Just like it did, right?  At least to the extent possible.
  

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