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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #60 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm
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Demos wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Serious question: how/why is this winning or a success?


Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and Trump kept his promise. This is something that Israel has wanted from the U.S for a long time and finally one of our presidents kept his word as opposed to using it as a carrot for political purposes only to break the promise once in office.
  
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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #61 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:29pm
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The Wreath of Khan wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
Especially among those with no skin in the game.. .

I'm a military wife and I'll likely be a military mom soon.
  
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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #62 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:32pm
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Josie wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:29pm:
I'm a military wife and I'll likely be a military mom soon.


As such do you look forward to the war Trump will start .. He desperately wants to be a war president..
  
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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #63 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:34pm
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Josie wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and Trump kept his promise. This is something that Israel has wanted from the U.S for a long time and finally one of our presidents kept his word as opposed to using it as a carrot for political purposes only to break the promise once in office.

That's all that qualifies it as a success? What if it endangers the peace process which Kusher, et al have been trying to negotiate? What if it puts American lives and interests at risk? Still a success/winning?
  
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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #64 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:35pm
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The willful disregard for the history, the context of all the different issues, and the potential downsides of packing our embassy off to Jerusalem seems very much like the willful disregard for science, international trade, tax policy, and the energy sector that is currently fashionable in the republican party.
  

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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #65 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:03pm
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Demos wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
That's all that qualifies it as a success? What if it endangers the peace process which Kusher, et al have been trying to negotiate? What if it puts American lives and interests at risk? Still a success/winning?

Standing with our friends instead of stabbing them is the back is sadly considered a success after 8 years of Obama.

As the former chief of Israeli military intel said "Trump's recognition of Jerusalem shows Palestinians have no veto in peace negotiations, should not hold out for "better deal."

  
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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #66 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:09pm
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Josie wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:03pm:
Standing with our friends instead of stabbing them is the back...

Not moving our embassy is not equal to stabbing Israel in the back.

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As the former chief of Israeli military intel said "Trump's recognition of Jerusalem shows Palestinians have no veto in peace negotiations, should not hold out for "better deal."

So, why not wait for the outcome to determine if its a success or not, as that's generally how one determines if an act is successful.
  
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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #67 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:19pm
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Demos wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Not moving our embassy is not equal to stabbing Israel in the back.

So, why not wait for outcome to determine if its a success or not, as that's generally how one determines if an act is successful.

Obama promised to move embassy to Jerusalem but instead not only did he break that promise he actually allowed a US abstention in a UN security council vote condemning Israeli settlements and preventing Jews from praying at the Western Wall and defied Congress by quietly sending $221 million in aid to the Palestinian Authority.
  
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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #68 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:21pm
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Josie wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
Obama promised to move embassy to Jerusalem but instead not only did he break that promise he actually allowed a US abstention in a UN security council vote condemning Israeli settlements and preventing Jews from praying at the Western Wall and defied Congress by quietly sending $221 million in aid to the Palestinian Authority.

And? None of this has any bearing on whether not moving the embassy is a success. Calling it such is premature at best.
  
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Re: Trump to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital
Reply #69 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:30pm
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Josie wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and Trump kept his promise. This is something that Israel has wanted from the U.S for a long time and finally one of our presidents kept his word as opposed to using it as a carrot for political purposes only to break the promise once in office.

I heard the Israeli Ambassador to the US said  today that all of their government buildings are in Jerusalem, including their Supreme Court.  He said that he applauded President Trump for taking a stand on the promise that the United States has made to Israel since 1995, to move the US Embassy there.  He said other nations are beginning to follow President Trumps lead and are talking about moving their Embassies to Jerusalem, as well.
  

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