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Dec 7th, 2017 at 12:14am
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http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/melinda-henneberger/article1...

The article above passed along a question with regard to the cake baker case before the supreme court.

"A lawyer for Phillips argued that his “friends on the other side...would compel an African-American sculptor to sculpt a cross for a Klan service or force a gay opera singer to perform at Westboro Baptist” because he’d also done so at the National Cathedral."

So what of this question?  If a sculptor is open to the public, should they have to sculpt a cross for the KKK?   And the gay opera singer?  Should they have to perform for Westboro Baptist Church?

Or what about one I saw earlier (but can't remember where): should a Muslim baker be required to create a cake with a cartoon of Muhammad on it?

The article points out that the state of Colorado was OK with gay bakers turning away customers wishing to have a cake that said "marriage is between one man and one woman".  So those who feel "open to the public means all of the public", do you disagree with the state of Colorado in those cases?
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 12:35am
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There were so many designers that refused to make Melania Trump a dress.

This is how gay coffee shop owners behaved when some anti abortion activists came in for a cup of coffee



  
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Josie wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 12:35am:
There were so many designers that refused to make Melania Trump a dress.

This is how gay coffee shop owners behaved when some anti abortion activists came in for a cup of coffee





I would certainly support the right of the folks in these examples to turn down any and all business they do not wish to carry out.  No person or group should be forced into a contract they do not wish to be a part of.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 11th, 2017 at 3:44pm
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- isnt it really an issue of property rights? - liberals dont believe in property rights
  

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admin wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
- isnt it really an issue of property rights? - liberals dont believe in property rights

Civil Rights come 1st today. That's the way it is, and always will be. Get use to it.
  

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However, civil rights are taking advantage of more then any other right.
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 11th, 2017 at 4:25pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 12:14am:
http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/melinda-henneberger/article1...

The article above passed along a question with regard to the cake baker case before the supreme court.

"A lawyer for Phillips argued that his “friends on the other side...would compel an African-American sculptor to sculpt a cross for a Klan service or force a gay opera singer to perform at Westboro Baptist” because he’d also done so at the National Cathedral."

So what of this question?  If a sculptor is open to the public, should they have to sculpt a cross for the KKK?   And the gay opera singer?  Should they have to perform for Westboro Baptist Church?

Or what about one I saw earlier (but can't remember where): should a Muslim baker be required to create a cake with a cartoon of Muhammad on it?

The article points out that the state of Colorado was OK with gay bakers turning away customers wishing to have a cake that said "marriage is between one man and one woman".  So those who feel "open to the public means all of the public", do you disagree with the state of Colorado in those cases?


I think the problem is some people are trying to have it both ways.

The Left has generally considered all forms of artistic expression "speech" that is protected and the Supreme Court has generally agreed with them.

If that's true, then I think a cake that a baker designs is speech and is protected. He should not be compelled to create one that sends he message he doesn't approve of.

Same for a sculptor, painter, singer etc.

I'll say it another way.

If this baker has to make a cake for a gay wedding, then Celine Dion should not have had the freedom to turn down Trump's request to perform at his inauguration. Other singers cannot refuse Republican candidates the right to play (for a fee) their recorded music at their rallies, etc.

I believe those artists should not be forced to perform or rent out the use of their music against their will and I believe the same of the baker.
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 11th, 2017 at 4:54pm
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Clearly the law is being selectively applied.

You might even say this is institutionalized discrimination. The law is protecting the right to refuse for some but denying it to others. How can that be consistent with the rule of law?

I would agree with admin that this is ultimately a property rights issue. Either you have the right to control your own labor or you do not.

I imagine those who champion these sorts of laws do not seek to see them universally applied.
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 11th, 2017 at 6:18pm
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Josie wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 12:35am:
There were so many designers that refused to make Melania Trump a dress.

This is how gay coffee shop owners behaved when some anti abortion activists came in for a cup of coffee









Thanks for posting this video Josie.


It’s a really good exploration of the whole Gay Cake issue (which is A Thing in Britain too, along with Gays in my Christian Hotel).
  

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