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- do you believe Franken will really resign? - a scam?
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- do you believe Franken will really resign?
- a scam till the Moore election is over then he will change his mind?
  

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Reply #1 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:17pm
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- why not resign immediately? - did he sign a document saying his resignation counts on a certain day and cant be changed?
  

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- why not resign immediately? - did he sign a document saying his resignation counts on a certain day and cant be changed?


He may never be back but the timing was due to Moore.
  
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He's obviously a deep-state operative.
  

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Abe wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
He may never be back but the timing was due to Moore.

If Moore is elected, there is really very little that the Senate can do.

They can not just not seat him, regardless of what Mitch McConnell said.  What right do Senators from any other state have to interfere in the choice of Senator made by the citizens of any other State.  There is such a thing as "due process" and other Constitutional Rights, of every American Citizen.  One doesn't lose any such rights simply by being elected to office!

If Moore is elected and if Moore stays, so will Franken!  Franken's hanging around just long enough to see how this hand plays out!
  

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If Moore is elected, there is really very little that the Senate can do.

They can not just not seat him, regardless of what Mitch McConnell said.  What right do Senators from any other state have to interfere in the choice of Senator made by the citizens of any other State.  There is such a thing as "due process" and other Constitutional Rights, of every American Citizen.  One doesn't lose any such rights simply by being elected to office!

What does "due process" have to do with the Senate kicking you out for being a child molester and embarrassment? Senate isn't a court of law. He doesn't go to jail. He just won't be able to be a Senator.
  

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Vypr wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:15pm:
What does "due process" have to do with the Senate kicking you out for being a child molester and embarrassment? Senate isn't a court of law. He doesn't go to jail. He just won't be able to be a Senator.

Every American is afforded the presumption of innocence until proven guilty by a jury of his peers!  "Due Process" includes the protection of every civil liberty enshrined in our Constitution which affords equal protection to anyone from someone like Charles Manson to even a candidate for US Senate.  While elections and politics are all about public opinion, criminal culpability is based upon statute and due process in the prosecution of accused persons.  One of the rights of the accused is to confront one's accuser in a court of law!  The Rules of Evidence require that charges must meet certain  criteria, including the filing of an Accusatory Instrument, under oath.  The Accuser signs a jurat with the Affidavit he/she submits to the court, acknowledging they know it is a crime to submit a false statement for filing to a Court.  The Court is referred to being the trial of fact whether it is a criminal or a civil complaint.   Otherwise is is mostly political noise (which may or may not be true!)
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:35pm
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Walking in a Wally Wonderland wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 3:31pm:
Every American is afforded the presumption of innocence until proven guilty by a jury of his peers!  "Due Process" includes the protection of every civil liberty enshrined in our Constitution which affords equal protection to anyone from someone like Charles Manson to even a candidate for US Senate.  While elections and politics are all about public opinion, criminal culpability is based upon statute and due process in the prosecution of accused persons.  One of the rights of the accused is to confront one's accuser in a court of law!  The Rules of Evidence require that charges must meet certain  criteria, including the filing of an Accusatory Instrument, under oath.  The Accuser signs a jurat with the Affidavit he/she submits to the court, acknowledging they know it is a crime to submit a false statement for filing to a Court.  The Court is referred to being the trial of fact whether it is a criminal or a civil complaint.   Otherwise is is mostly political noise (which may or may not be true!)

Sorry, public opinion exists far far apart from due process. This is how we can ostracize a child molester long after the statue of limitations has expired.


Statute of limitations

If prosecuted at the time, Moore could have faced charges of sexual abuse in the second degree for his alleged contact with Corfman and Nelson.

He could have also faced more serious charges of enticing a child younger than 16 to enter a home with the purpose of proposing sexual intercourse or fondling of sexual and genital parts in connection to the charges by Corfman, who said the incident occurred at Moore's house. That is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

Additional charges could have been filed in relation to Nelson's claims, including her assertion Moore locked the door to prevent her from leaving his car.

At the time, the statute of limitations for bringing felony charges involving sexual abuse of a minor would have expired three years after the alleged incidents, or sometime between 1980 and 1983. Neither Corfman nor Jones filed a police report after the alleged incidents and no charges were ever brought against Moore.

Alabama law was later changed to remove the statute of limitations for "any sex offense involving a victim under 16 years of age." However, the change only applied to crimes committed before Jan. 7, 1985 -years after the alleged Moore incidents- for which there were no existing statute of limitations law, meaning Moore couldn't be brought up on criminal charges now in connection to sexual abuse charges from 1977 to 1979.


http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/roy_moore_could_alabama_senate_1.html
  

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Hillary was never proven guilty by a jury of her peers, but that didn't stop most of you from demanding summary justice.

In Moore's case, the statute of limitations will protect Moore.  But his failure to follow through with lawsuits against his accusers will pretty much remove all doubt from non-partisan observers.  Much like Trump's failure to sue HIS accusers.  Most non-partisan observers are pretty certain Trump has done what he is accused of.
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:01pm
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Hillary was never proven guilty by a jury of her peers, but that didn't stop most of you from demanding summary justice.

In Moore's case, the statute of limitations will protect Moore.  But his failure to follow through with lawsuits against his accusers will pretty much remove all doubt from non-partisan observers.  Much like Trump's failure to sue HIS accusers.  Most non-partisan observers are pretty certain Trump has done what he is accused of.

I am surprised at you. Your comments are usually far more well thought out and I often respect them.'

Everyone here including myself simply want justice to be applied equally and fairly and we demand that certain things be investigated!

There have been far too many witch hunts, such as the Duke LaCross Players and the Twanna Brawley case where the nature of the charges have taken on a political life of their own and later they charges have been found out to be pure LIES!   How can any person 's belief that Trump or Moore or anyone else be anymore than based upon their biased opinion (for whatever reason) unless they are members of a jury and actually see the evidence?
  

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