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The Closing of the Republican Mind
Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:45pm
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When Ronald Reagan passed his historic tax cut in 1981, he won support from 25 Democrats in the Senate and 113 in the House.

When George W. Bush passed his sweeping tax cut in 2001, he won support from 12 Democrats in the Senate and 28 in the House.

But when President Trump and Republican leadership muscled their respective tax-cut plans through Congress this fall, not a single Democrat in either chamber voted yes. That shutout came even though 12 House Democrats represent districts Trump carried last year, and Democrats in 2018 are defending 10 Senate seats in states the president won.

Many factors contributed to the change. Across all issues, it’s become less common for legislators to vote across party lines than in the Reagan, and even Bush, era. And Trump has less leverage over Democratic legislators than his predecessors did because he has a much lower job-approval rating than either of them, especially among Democratic voters.

But there is a more straightforward reason why not a single Democrat backed the legislation: The GOP not only entirely excluded Democrats from the process of drafting the bills, but the party punished Democratic constituencies—from residents of high-tax states to graduate students—in the bills’ substance. The tax plans represent a political closed circle: bills written solely by Republicans and passed solely by Republican votes that shower their greatest benefits on Republican constituencies. Meanwhile, the biggest losers in the plans are the constituencies of the Democrats who universally opposed them. It’s not just redistribution: The tax bills are also grounded in retribution.

In that way, the tax debate offers the clearest measure of how powerfully the Republican Party in the Trump era is folding inward. Neither Trump nor GOP congressional leaders are even pretending to represent the entire country—or to consider perspectives beyond those of their core coalition. Instead the party has shown that as long as it can maintain internal unity over its direction, it will ignore objections from virtually any outside source—not just Democrats, but also independent experts, affected interest groups, and traditional allies abroad.


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Re: The Closing of the Republican Mind
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The democraps completely excluded republicans from the drafting of obamacare, put together in secret closed midnight meetings.  NOW that they got clobbered in the last election, they've become born-again cheerleaders for bipartisan cooperation.  Grin
  
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Vypr wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
The Closing of the Republican Mind

When Ronald Reagan passed his historic tax cut in 1981, he won support from 25 Democrats in the Senate and 113 in the House.

When George W. Bush passed his sweeping tax cut in 2001, he won support from 12 Democrats in the Senate and 28 in the House.

But when President Trump and Republican leadership muscled their respective tax-cut plans through Congress this fall, not a single Democrat in either chamber voted yes. That shutout came even though 12 House Democrats represent districts Trump carried last year, and Democrats in 2018 are defending 10 Senate seats in states the president won.

Many factors contributed to the change. Across all issues, it’s become less common for legislators to vote across party lines than in the Reagan, and even Bush, era. And Trump has less leverage over Democratic legislators than his predecessors did because he has a much lower job-approval rating than either of them, especially among Democratic voters.

But there is a more straightforward reason why not a single Democrat backed the legislation: The GOP not only entirely excluded Democrats from the process of drafting the bills, but the party punished Democratic constituencies—from residents of high-tax states to graduate students—in the bills’ substance. The tax plans represent a political closed circle: bills written solely by Republicans and passed solely by Republican votes that shower their greatest benefits on Republican constituencies. Meanwhile, the biggest losers in the plans are the constituencies of the Democrats who universally opposed them. It’s not just redistribution: The tax bills are also grounded in retribution.

In that way, the tax debate offers the clearest measure of how powerfully the Republican Party in the Trump era is folding inward. Neither Trump nor GOP congressional leaders are even pretending to represent the entire country—or to consider perspectives beyond those of their core coalition. Instead the party has shown that as long as it can maintain internal unity over its direction, it will ignore objections from virtually any outside source—not just Democrats, but also independent experts, affected interest groups, and traditional allies abroad.


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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/taxes-trump-congress/547706...

HAHAHA the Atlantic? HELL why didn't you just use the onion or mother Jones? Like I said earlier you are definitely one funny little Troll.
  

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The democraps completely excluded republicans from the drafting of obamacare, put together in secret closed midnight meetings.  NOW that they got clobbered in the last election, they've become born-again cheerleaders for bipartisan cooperation.  Grin


That's not true in any sense.

The democrats had open hearings, stretching over 18 months.  They invited republicans to contribute, and they included some of their ideas.  The whole premise of obamacare is that it was a democratic overture to the republicans -- they turned away from the single-payer approach Obama campaigned on, and instead dusted off a republican idea, hatched in a republican think tank, co-sponsored by 20 republican senators as an alternative to Hillarycare in the 90s, and implemented by a republican governor (and future POTUS candidate) as his signature achievement.

Obamacare has republican fingerprints all over it.
  

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Reply #4 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 6:20pm
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Vypr wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
And Trump has less leverage over Democratic legislators than his predecessors did because he has a much lower job-approval rating than either of them, especially among Democratic voters.


I think this has more to do with it than anything else. Donald Trump has decided to more or less reject the idea that he needs to gain political capital that he can spend at opportune times to win people to his side on issues.

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But there is a more straightforward reason why not a single Democrat backed the legislation: The GOP not only entirely excluded Democrats from the process of drafting the bills, but the party punished Democratic constituencies—from residents of high-tax states to graduate students—in the bills’ substance. The tax plans represent a political closed circle: bills written solely by Republicans and passed solely by Republican votes that shower their greatest benefits on Republican constituencies. Meanwhile, the biggest losers in the plans are the constituencies of the Democrats who universally opposed them. It’s not just redistribution: The tax bills are also grounded in retribution.

In that way, the tax debate offers the clearest measure of how powerfully the Republican Party in the Trump era is folding inward. Neither Trump nor GOP congressional leaders are even pretending to represent the entire country—or to consider perspectives beyond those of their core coalition. Instead the party has shown that as long as it can maintain internal unity over its direction, it will ignore objections from virtually any outside source—not just Democrats, but also independent experts, affected interest groups, and traditional allies abroad.


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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/taxes-trump-congress/547706...


I think the rest of this kind of falls apart because it is predicated on the idea of a unified Republican Party, which doesn't exist at the moment.

In my opinion, it's a simpler issue. I seriously doubt many Democrats wanted to be a part of this process.

It seems to me the tax bill got no Democrat votes mostly because the Democrats have decided it is more politically expedient for them to oppose Donald Trump than to join him.

The Democrats made this decision because Donald Trump's style of  governance made that the easiest path for them. They're right too. From a political standpoint, they probably do benefit more from rejecting him (a symbolic gesture) than working with him to get something more substantial for their voters.

Can you imagine any Democrat in office right now attending a tax bill signing ceremony with Donald Trump? Their party claims to despise him.

I don't know whether or not the Republicans truly "shut out" the Democrats, but if they did, I bet the Democrats gave out a collective sigh of relief.
  
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I for one am baffled as to why the democrats haven't come up with their own tax reform proposals.  It's not like they have to think too hard.  There are stacks and stacks of ideas out there, cranked out by think tanks right-left-and-center.  Democrats are missing a golden opportunity, which is of course what they do best.

And Trump, for his part, did seem to have 5 seconds here and there where he looked like he was backing to real reform proposals.  This republican tax bill is nothing like "reform" -- it's a series of cuts.  Nothing is getting simplified, no special interests are getting challenged, and we are moving ever further away from filling our tax forms on a postcard.

What about picking the top 3-4 deductions and then eliminating ALL the others while at the same time lowering rates in a revenue-neutral grand bargain?  What about a long phase-out of some of those big deductions, which were well-intentioned but ended up harming markets?  What about having income, capital gains, and pass-through tax rates all be the same?

Sad.
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 7:28pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
That's not true in any sense.

The democrats had open hearings, stretching over 18 months.  They invited republicans to contribute, and they included some of their ideas.  The whole premise of obamacare is that it was a democratic overture to the republicans -- they turned away from the single-payer approach Obama campaigned on, and instead dusted off a republican idea, hatched in a republican think tank, co-sponsored by 20 republican senators as an alternative to Hillarycare in the 90s, and implemented by a republican governor (and future POTUS candidate) as his signature achievement.

Obamacare has republican fingerprints all over it.


Nonsense.  Grin

Now the libtards are complementing their fake news with fake history.

- Dem senators Harry Reid and Max Baucus held closed meetings to make critical decisions.

- Hussein promised to have all the negotiations on CSPAN, but it never happened - he made critical agreements with the insurance companies in closed door white house meetings to which republicans were not invited.

- The (relatively) open hearings don't count for squat.  Those were like "say what you want, have at it, but we (the democrats) will do it our way."

- In the end, not a single republican in congress voted for obamacare - with the rise of the RINOs, in recent decades, that's stunning.  But there were "republican fingerprints all over it"???

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Reply #8 - Dec 9th, 2017 at 7:08pm
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Jasmine wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Maestro!!! Welcome back!  Smiley


Thanks!

(Sorry, I'm a little late on that).
  
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forgotten centrist wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
I for one am baffled as to why the democrats haven't come up with their own tax reform proposals.  It's not like they have to think too hard.  There are stacks and stacks of ideas out there, cranked out by think tanks right-left-and-center.  Democrats are missing a golden opportunity, which is of course what they do best.

And Trump, for his part, did seem to have 5 seconds here and there where he looked like he was backing to real reform proposals.  This republican tax bill is nothing like "reform" -- it's a series of cuts.  Nothing is getting simplified, no special interests are getting challenged, and we are moving ever further away from filling our tax forms on a postcard.

What about picking the top 3-4 deductions and then eliminating ALL the others while at the same time lowering rates in a revenue-neutral grand bargain?  What about a long phase-out of some of those big deductions, which were well-intentioned but ended up harming markets?  What about having income, capital gains, and pass-through tax rates all be the same?

Sad.


What about saying “what did you get as income? What did you spend on things necessary to gain that income? What’s the difference between the two? If it’s positive, hand over X% so we can have a military, a court  system, and some infrastructure for us all to use”.
  

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