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How did Christmas get so secular?
Dec 15th, 2017 at 3:09pm
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Many people (and I use that term in the same sense Der Fuhrer does, which means “practically nobody”) have approached me with my thoughts on how Christmas got to be such a secular holiday.  Which is really neat because I did some research on that very topic several years back, pre-internet.

Bugs, Porky, Daffy, Yosemite Sam, and I were having a break in between takes on one of our joint motion pictures, and the subject of Christmas came up.  I think it was Daffy who said he wondered when Christmas got to be such a secular holiday.  I resolved to find out.

I visited a “library” and consulted “books.”  For those unfamiliar with those terms, a book is a collection of pieces of paper on which writing appears, bound between covers made of heavier paper or cardboard.  Libraries are buildings which house a lot of books. Writing from memory, this is what I found out:

There was a pope, Leo I think (which is a safe guess because there were so darned many of them by that name) who decided the pagans needed some true religion.  This was in the 300’s I think, before later popes decided torture was a better and more effective way to get converts.  He approached a bunch of pagans with the idea of becoming Christians, and they said maybe. Their main concern was a holiday they celebrated in late December every year during which they gave each other presents, hung evergreens to celebrate fertility, and did a lot of drinking and screwing.

The pope said they could keep that holiday but they’d have to say they were doing it for Jesus and he (the pope) would appreciate it if they cut back a little on the drinking and screwing.  They said they would.  But they didn’t and that’s why so many Christmas parties (especially office parties) are like they are today.

So it didn’t BECOME secular, it started off that way.  It was an attempt to steal a pagan holiday and it failed.   But I still like it, and have a decorated pagan fertility symbol in my house even now.  And as I mentioned, I listen to a Christmas music only radio station from December 1 through Christmas.  My two favorite Christmas hymns are O Holy Night and Run Run Rudolph.

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Re: How did Christmas get so secular?
Reply #1 - Dec 15th, 2017 at 3:29pm
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EF wrote on Dec 15th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Many people (and I use that term in the same sense Der Fuhrer does, which means “practically nobody”) have approached me with my thoughts on how Christmas got to be such a secular holiday.  Which is really neat because I did some research on that very topic several years back, pre-internet.

Bugs, Porky, Daffy, Yosemite Sam, and I were having a break in between takes on one of our joint motion pictures, and the subject of Christmas came up.  I think it was Daffy who said he wondered when Christmas got to be such a secular holiday.  I resolved to find out.

I visited a “library” and consulted “books.”  For those unfamiliar with those terms, a book is a collection of pieces of paper on which writing appears, bound between covers made of heavier paper or cardboard.  Libraries are buildings which house a lot of books. Writing from memory, this is what I found out:

There was a pope, Leo I think (which is a safe guess because there were so darned many of them by that name) who decided the pagans needed some true religion.  This was in the 300’s I think, before later popes decided torture was a better and more effective way to get converts.  He approached a bunch of pagans with the idea of becoming Christians, and they said maybe. Their main concern was a holiday they celebrated in late December every year during which they gave each other presents, hung evergreens to celebrate fertility, and did a lot of drinking and screwing.

The pope said they could keep that holiday but they’d have to say they were doing it for Jesus and he (the pope) would appreciate it if they cut back a little on the drinking and screwing.  They said they would.  But they didn’t and that’s why so many Christmas parties (especially office parties) are like they are today.

So it didn’t BECOME secular, it started off that way.  It was an attempt to steal a pagan holiday and it failed.   But I still like it, and have a decorated pagan fertility symbol in my house even now.  And as I mentioned, I listen to a Christmas music only radio station from December 1 through Christmas.  My two favorite Christmas hymns are O Holy Night and Run Run Rudolph.

IO Saturnalia! Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays!

Elmer Fudd




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Re: How did Christmas get so secular?
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Dec 15th, 2017 at 3:29pm:


Touching film.  Fortunately for Jaz, it was mostly desert primates.  Not "ardent Christians."
  

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Re: How did Christmas get so secular?
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EF wrote on Dec 15th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Many people (and I use that term in the same sense Der Fuhrer does, which means “practically nobody”) have approached me with my thoughts on how Christmas got to be such a secular holiday.  Which is really neat because I did some research on that very topic several years back, pre-internet.

Bugs, Porky, Daffy, Yosemite Sam, and I were having a break in between takes on one of our joint motion pictures, and the subject of Christmas came up.  I think it was Daffy who said he wondered when Christmas got to be such a secular holiday.  I resolved to find out.

I visited a “library” and consulted “books.”  For those unfamiliar with those terms, a book is a collection of pieces of paper on which writing appears, bound between covers made of heavier paper or cardboard.  Libraries are buildings which house a lot of books. Writing from memory, this is what I found out:

There was a pope, Leo I think (which is a safe guess because there were so darned many of them by that name) who decided the pagans needed some true religion.  This was in the 300’s I think, before later popes decided torture was a better and more effective way to get converts.  He approached a bunch of pagans with the idea of becoming Christians, and they said maybe. Their main concern was a holiday they celebrated in late December every year during which they gave each other presents, hung evergreens to celebrate fertility, and did a lot of drinking and screwing.

The pope said they could keep that holiday but they’d have to say they were doing it for Jesus and he (the pope) would appreciate it if they cut back a little on the drinking and screwing.  They said they would.  But they didn’t and that’s why so many Christmas parties (especially office parties) are like they are today.

So it didn’t BECOME secular, it started off that way.  It was an attempt to steal a pagan holiday and it failed.   But I still like it, and have a decorated pagan fertility symbol in my house even now.  And as I mentioned, I listen to a Christmas music only radio station from December 1 through Christmas.  My two favorite Christmas hymns are O Holy Night and Run Run Rudolph.

IO Saturnalia! Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays!

Elmer Fudd




A neat summing up.


The fundamental reason for the midwinter debauch is the point of no return with livestock and stored feed.

You have to thin the herd, might as well eat ‘em.

Plus, pre-refrigeration, drinks like beer didn’t last and the last brew was late Autumn. Might as well finish it off before it turns to vinegar.
  

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Reply #4 - Dec 15th, 2017 at 6:12pm
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Limey. wrote on Dec 15th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
A neat summing up.


The fundamental reason for the midwinter debauch is the point of no return with livestock and stored feed.

You have to thin the herd, might as well eat ‘em.

Plus, pre-refrigeration, drinks like beer didn’t last and the last brew was late Autumn. Might as well finish it off before it turns to vinegar.


Wasn't nature furnishing plenty of refrigeration?
  

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Re: How did Christmas get so secular?
Reply #5 - Dec 15th, 2017 at 7:34pm
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EF wrote on Dec 15th, 2017 at 6:12pm:
Wasn't nature furnishing plenty of refrigeration?



Shhh.


That was the line our great great17 grandads spun when asked by great great grandma17 “why do we have to drink all the beer tonight?”


Out of respect, let’s keep the bluff going.
  

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Re: How did Christmas get so secular?
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Limey. wrote on Dec 15th, 2017 at 7:34pm:
Shhh.


That was the line our great great17 grandads spun when asked by great great grandma17 “why do we have to drink all the beer tonight?”


Out of respect, let’s keep the bluff going.


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