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Reply #40 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:46pm
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Genesee wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
ie. Anyone who does not think like me is stupid. Yeah... It get it.


Nah. You're reading it that way because you don't wan't to accept the fact that you were trolling this thread with your stupid question.

I can't imagine anyone construing your comments as a good faith attempt at worthwhile discussion.

And I am sure you would agree.
  

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Re: Book project
Reply #41 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:00pm
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Genesee wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
ie. Anyone who does not think like me is stupid. Yeah... It get it.


Nobody thinks you’re stupid. You might even be one of the smartest people here. Many just happen to recognize that you also exhibit troll behavior, while also acting aloof, as if none of this could possibly concern you.
  

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Reply #42 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:20pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
Nah. You're reading it that way because you don't wan't to accept the fact that you were trolling this thread with your stupid question.


"Why read?" is a stupid question?

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I can't imagine anyone construing your comments as a good faith attempt at worthwhile discussion.

And I am sure you would agree.


You already said this.  Undecided
  

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Reply #43 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:25pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:00pm:
Nobody thinks you’re stupid.[


That's nice. Don't know what brought you to say that but, thanks anyway.

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You might even be one of the smartest people here. Many just happen to recognize that you also exhibit troll behavior,


Troll behavior is subjective behavior.

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while also acting aloof, as if none of this could possibly concern you.


Well, I'm not concerned about all of this. Are you? Have you ever been? Is taht an indictment of guilt?  Undecided
  

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Reply #44 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:25pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Dec 31st, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Bought a new book the other day from Amazon and it just came in the mail. It is called From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State: Fraternal Societies and Social Services 1890-1967 by David Beito.

It describes how people dealt with the uncertainties of life before the government got involved and created a welfare state and what that looked like in practice. No doubt it was not perfect. But the mix of benefits and incentives was probably more on point than what has been accomplished through public policy.

That's a big red pill, for a lack of a better word, for the traditional lefty.

And it got me thinking.

I can envision a book project that would catalog a few of these kinds insights which are not common currency on the left. Perhaps it would help improve their project.

The first chapter could make the case for community based associations for handling welfare and other social services based on insights from this book on fraternal societies.

The second chapter could summarize The Triumph of Conservatism, Gabriel Kolko's book on regulation in the progressive era and how big business influenced it in order to foreclose markets and competition. Which is exactly the reverse of what most on the left think about regulation in this era.

Kolko is a noted lefty academic and his work is thoroughly researched and documented. You will not view the progressive era the same way after reading it.

And then next chapter might summarize some of the ideas in Illiberal Reformers by Thomas Leonard. This book explains how minimum wage policy was first championed by progressives as a tool of eugenics and how other laws dealing with women in the work place were promoted for those reasons. This a careful work which documents these claims in the progressives own words. It is eye opening in the extreme.

Essentially, this is an attempt to red pill a lefty but I recoil against that kind of rhetoric for it is language often used by the alt right and the last thing I'd ever want to do is associate myself with those tool-bags. So I need to find a better way to explain this project.

Any ideas? And what books would you point to that might complement those I have listed here?


I've been puzzling out a way to write an essay that encompasses my thoughts on the true costs of Social Security.  Cuz those costs ain't financial.

The myth of the independent senior (which is propagated primarily by the nonseniors who don't want to have to deal with them) and how that myth has destroyed the traditional family structure born of thousands of years of societal evolution.

Once upon a time youths were taught to respect their elders because they lived with their elders.  Because they were raised by their elders.  Because they had regular and frequent contact with the "wisdom" of their elders. 

And once upon a time people were familiar with and sobered by death.  Because they dealt with the death of family members within their houses as part of the natural course of life as their elders passed on due to natural causes.

Just seems like so much work my lazy ass won't do it.  But I think this book might be an invaluable resource for me in my slow and lazy style of gathering information.

I don't have any book suggestions for you.  Just that idea that's been germinating the last few years that maybe YOU can run with so I don't have to? heh.

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Reply #45 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:30pm
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Okay ... I'm not weighing in here but ...

"Why read?" is a valid question.  We should all always challenge the things we take for granted. 

And the problem seems to be the people responding to Genesee are presupposing his own answer to that question.

It's simply not a question this thread is set up to discuss Genesee.  Perhaps another thread for a philosophical discussion of that nature?

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Reply #46 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:32pm
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Queshank wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
I've been puzzling out a way to write an essay that encompasses my thoughts on the true costs of Social Security.  Cuz those costs ain't financial.

The myth of the independent senior (which is propagated primarily by the nonseniors who don't want to have to deal with them) and how that myth has destroyed the traditional family structure born of thousands of years of societal evolution.

Once upon a time youths were taught to respect their elders because they lived with their elders.  Because they were raised by their elders.  Because they had regular and frequent contact with the "wisdom" of their elders. 

And once upon a time people were familiar with and sobered by death.  Because they dealt with the death of family members within their houses as part of the natural course of life as their elders passed on due to natural causes.

Just seems like so much work my lazy ass won't do it.  But I think this book might be an invaluable resource for me in my slow and lazy style of gathering information.

I don't have any book suggestions for you.  Just that idea that's been germinating the last few years that maybe YOU can run with so I don't have to? heh.

Queshank


Not sure what it takes to get a book written and published, but I'm sure you have the gumption and wherewithal to get it done. I think you should do it.
  

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Reply #47 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 2:20pm
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Queshank wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
I've been puzzling out a way to write an essay that encompasses my thoughts on the true costs of Social Security.  Cuz those costs ain't financial.

The myth of the independent senior (which is propagated primarily by the nonseniors who don't want to have to deal with them) and how that myth has destroyed the traditional family structure born of thousands of years of societal evolution.

Once upon a time youths were taught to respect their elders because they lived with their elders.  Because they were raised by their elders.  Because they had regular and frequent contact with the "wisdom" of their elders. 

And once upon a time people were familiar with and sobered by death.  Because they dealt with the death of family members within their houses as part of the natural course of life as their elders passed on due to natural causes.

Just seems like so much work my lazy ass won't do it.  But I think this book might be an invaluable resource for me in my slow and lazy style of gathering information.

I don't have any book suggestions for you.  Just that idea that's been germinating the last few years that maybe YOU can run with so I don't have to? heh.

Queshank

That's a good point, Que. Most of the criticism around this issue centers on the financial costs while the impact it has on the family is often missed.

The implications this has for the next generation in terms of their view of age and death, history, family and so on is profound. It definitely pushes us toward a more atomistic sense of self- the view of man as an island unto himself.

For we no longer see our grandparents and parents as people we are obliged to look after. And likewise see no one else to play that role for us.

There has to be profound implications that flow from this change and I am sure they are not good.

If this book project ever comes to fruition, this insight should be a part of it.
  

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Reply #48 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 2:24pm
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Queshank wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
Okay ... I'm not weighing in here but ...

"Why read?" is a valid question.  We should all always challenge the things we take for granted. 

And the problem seems to be the people responding to Genesee are presupposing his own answer to that question.

It's simply not a question this thread is set up to discuss Genesee.  Perhaps another thread for a philosophical discussion of that nature?

Queshank

I don't disagree. It's not a bad question in and of itself.

But in the context of this thread and considering the poster who asked it, it strikes me as a naked attempt at trolling.
  

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Reply #49 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 2:48pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
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For we no longer see our grandparents and parents as people we are obliged to look after. And likewise see no one else to play that role for us....


Obligated.
  

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