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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #10 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:30pm
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glen65 wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
You're question indirectly suggests, revising existing law isn't really possible without violating the first amendment.

Yeah, that's right. I would go so far as to say that existing law regarding libel is contrary to the first amendment.
  

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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #11 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:36pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
Yeah, that's right. I would go so far as to say that existing law regarding libel is contrary to the first amendment.


So you dont believe libel laws should exist at all?
  
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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #12 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:37pm
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glen65 wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:36pm:
So you dont believe libel laws should exist at all?

That's right.
  

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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #13 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:41pm
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Harry wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 5:38am:
Heightened penalties would do exactly that.

Current laws already limit free speech. Increased penalties further limit it.
  

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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #14 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:47pm
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glen65 wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:02am:
No, he didn't suggest that at all. He was talking about strengthening libel laws that are already in place. Plus, any amendments to existing law truly limiting free speech, would end up getting shot down anyway regardless who's president due to lack of constitutionality.

It is far too easy for powerful political and media groups to destroy individual's lives and make it next to impossible for any little guy to be able to defend and/or repair their reputation against the team of corporate lawyers supported by the deep pockets of Billionaires who own the media outlets as well as the politicians who engage in character assassination as a way of shutting down free speech!

Trump is the President.  The Liable laws can not protect a sitting POTUS, or anyone else in elected office, nor should they.  It goes with the turf!  However, those who work in the Whitehouse ought to have far more protection from slander, just like anyone else.
  

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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #15 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:09pm
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Vypr wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 12:42am:
Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech

President says that if legislation on libel was stronger 'you wouldn’t have things like that happen where you can say whatever comes into your head'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-free-speech-...


You fools. He is probably angry at the way all you liberal air heads don’t like the way he says what it is. Totally nonpolitically correct. He wants his right to free speech. Politically correct he would say “all those good hearted kind liberals are wrong and keep hurting themselves and the country. I feel bad for them.” The way he says it, “those fu(*& ass hole liberals, Fu098ed up again”. “More waste and freedom I will have to fix”.

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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #16 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:12pm
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A Wally in Winter wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
It is far too easy for powerful political and media groups to destroy individual's lives and make it next to impossible for any little guy to be able to defend and/or repair their reputation against the team of corporate lawyers supported by the deep pockets of Billionaires who own the media outlets as well as the politicians who engage in character assassination as a way of shutting down free speech!

Trump is the President.  The Liable laws can not protect a sitting POTUS, or anyone else in elected office, nor should they.  It goes with the turf! However, those who work in the Whitehouse ought to have far more protection from slander, just like anyone else.


You really need to tell TL, most of what you're saying here. He apparently believes that any protection at all is an automatic violation of the constitution. 
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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #17 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:14pm
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For Trump to deride the freedom to say whatever comes into your head is fairly amusing.

Having said that, this is standard Trumpian bluster. I don't see it going anywhere.


  



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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #18 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 3:51pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:27pm:
That's an interesting take on free speech.


You aren't free to lie and tarnish the reputation of another.
  

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Re: Donald Trump suggests he wants US law to limit free speech
Reply #19 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 4:31pm
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I think libel and slander laws are fine as is. Trump needs to grow thicker skin.

If anything, we need more free speech, not less. Look at how limp-wristed society has become. People fall apart when you utter words like ***gir or f*g or sand monkey.
  


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