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Re: U.S. judge in Nevada dismisses charges against rancher Cliven Bundy and his 2 sons
Reply #100 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:26pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:22pm:
Again, it has to be in the Constitution for them to rule in favor of the Feds.  Show me the groundwork for this decision.  Do not have time to go back and forth.  The children who grew up around the founders memorized and could cite the articles, unfortunately we have too many who are illiterate when it comes to the Constitution.


The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
  

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Re: U.S. judge in Nevada dismisses charges against rancher Cliven Bundy and his 2 sons
Reply #101 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:35pm
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The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

No, that does not grant them the power to own a state's territory or to lease it.  They are to RESPECT the territory of a state but do not have the power to posses it.
  


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Re: U.S. judge in Nevada dismisses charges against rancher Cliven Bundy and his 2 sons
Reply #102 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:46pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
No, that does not grant them the power to own a state's territory or to lease it.  They are to RESPECT the territory of a state but do not have the power to posses it.


If that's the case, I'm going to start drilling for oil in Yellowstone.
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Reply #103 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 6:05pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
No, that does not grant them the power to own a state's territory or to lease it.  They are to RESPECT the territory of a state but do not have the power to posses it.


Back in the time of the founding, the states actively ceded land to the federal government -- the unpopulated western lands.  They wanted to establish some rule of law and some framework for commerce.

This is the clause that has been used to uphold federal land ownership.  It has been challenged.  It has been debated.  And multiple courts have interpreted this clause such that federal land ownership, stewardship, leasing, etc is all allowed for under the constitution.

If you disagree, that's fine.  Your opinion doesn't matter, unless you sue and convince the court otherwise.  Bundy tried and failed.  You will fail, too.

And to Greg's point, do you oppose the existence of national parks?
  

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Reply #104 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 6:48pm
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Harry wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
own cattle grazing land.


Your definition ..  but then you're an idiot.


  

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Reply #105 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 8:01pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
No, that does not grant them the power to own a state's territory or to lease it.  They are to RESPECT the territory of a state but do not have the power to posses it.


I guess that makes the Louisiana Purchase unconstitutional.  Should we give it back to the French and try to get our money back?

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Reply #106 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 8:09pm
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DAMMIT, we paid 7 million bucks to the Russians for Alaska too!!!  If they take us to court, can they get it back??????

DAMMIT!

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Re: U.S. judge in Nevada dismisses charges against rancher Cliven Bundy and his 2 sons
Reply #107 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 8:46pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 8:09pm:
DAMMIT, we paid 7 million bucks to the Russians for Alaska too!!!  If they take us to court, can they get it back??????

DAMMIT!

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You mean the Russians took "alla our sh1t!"?
  

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Reply #108 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:27pm
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The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.


That's true, for land that the government constitutionally owns.
  

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Re: U.S. judge in Nevada dismisses charges against rancher Cliven Bundy and his 2 sons
Reply #109 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:28pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:46pm:
If that's the case, I'm going to start drilling for oil in Yellowstone.
Greg


Go for it, Greg Bundy. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
  

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