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If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Jan 8th, 2018 at 2:48pm
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Word is Trump's team is preparing for a possible interview with Mueller's team. That's bad news for the Liar in Chief and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to find some way to dodge it. I mean, Trump on the record where lying is illegal? I would be very surprised if his legal team allows it in the end. Trump is totally uncontrollable and they know it. He's a pathological liar. He simply can't help himself. I suspect sometimes he doesn't even keep facts straight enough not to lie.

1. So if he lies to Mueller and gets indicted for that (among other thing), can he pardon himself?
2. Would the Trump supporters applaud Trump pardoning himself on lying to Mueller in particular?
  

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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Reply #1 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 3:09pm
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Naw.

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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Reply #2 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 3:53pm
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Most legal scholars say the pardoning power has always been understood to be "other-centered," and that this is the most plain understanding of the term.

So, no. If a President tried, it would almost certainly go to the SCOTUS and I think they'd rule against him.

As for who would applaud it, who cares?
  



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Maestro wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Most legal scholars say the pardoning power has always been understood to be "other-centered," and that this is the most plain understanding of the term.

So, no. If a President tried, it would almost certainly go to the SCOTUS and I think they'd rule against him.

As for who would applaud it, who cares?

Ok, I agree if he tried to pardon himself, no go. But pardoning others with whom he may have direct ties and a shared issue?
  

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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Reply #4 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:12pm
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I hadn't thought of this.  When I read that Mueller might meet with Trump, I thought it was just a meeting, and that it was pretty pointless.  But if it's going to be testimony, under oath, then Trump is in big trouble.

I doubt Trump has ever done well under oath, in the thousands of lawsuits he's been involved in.  Indeed, there were something like 9 top law firms that declined the president's patronage because of his refusal to heed legal advice.
  

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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Reply #5 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:22pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:12pm:
I hadn't thought of this.  When I read that Mueller might meet with Trump, I thought it was just a meeting, and that it was pretty pointless.  But if it's going to be testimony, under oath, then Trump is in big trouble.

I doubt Trump has ever done well under oath, in the thousands of lawsuits he's been involved in.  Indeed, there were something like 9 top law firms that declined the president's patronage because of his refusal to heed legal advice.

Mueller and team will eat the "genius" alive. Hell, Trump will probably hand it to them on a platter. He can't control his mouth and he is, counter to claims to the contrary, not smarter than Mueller. And he's certainly not smarter than Mueller's team taken as a group. They will put him on a spit and let him roast himself.

But hey, if he's innocent and he has nothing to hide as he claims almost daily, he should get in front of this and speak to the Mueller team. Prove it.
  

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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
Mueller and team will eat the "genius" alive. Hell, Trump will probably hand it to them on a platter. He can't control his mouth and he is, counter to claims to the contrary, not smarter than Mueller. And he's certainly not smarter than Mueller's team taken as a group. They will put him on a spit and let him roast himself.

But hey, if he's innocent and he has nothing to hide as he claims almost daily, he should get in front of this and speak to the Mueller team. Prove it.



There is always the 5th and Executive privilege.   Grin
  



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walkstall wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
There is always the 5th and Executive privilege.   Grin

If he takes the 5th everyone automatically will assume he has something to hide and has broken the law. His shtick all along is that he has done nothing wrong. If he takes the 5th or refuses to play along, it will damage credibility even with his base and will add weight to any indictments that eventually come down against him or his family/cohorts. Also, he can be compelled to testify in front of the grand jury. If that happens, no lawyers will be present.
  

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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Reply #8 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:57pm
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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
But pardoning others with whom he may have direct ties and a shared issue?


Outside of impeachment, the presidential pardon of federal crimes is absolute. So, yes.

Trump would not be the first President to pardon someone with whom he had personal ties, shared issues, or from whom he had even received campaign and other contributions.

Some have suggested an amendment that states Presidential pardons can be overturned by a super majority of Congress within a short time period to prevent those kinds of abuses. Might not be a bad idea.
  



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Maestro wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
Outside of impeachment, the presidential pardon of federal crimes is absolute. So, yes.

Trump would not be the first President to pardon someone with whom he had personal ties, shared issues, or from whom he had even received campaign and other contributions.

Some have suggested an amendment that states Presidential pardons can be overturned by a super majority of Congress within a short time period to prevent those kinds of abuses. Might not be a bad idea.

This is not so clear cut. Pardoning Flynn for example could be taken as evidence to obstruct justice, as it would potentially remove Flynn as a cooperating witness against Trump. The pardon power used in a way that it benefits you personally insofar as helping evade possible prosecution for crimes you may have committed should be interpreted no differently than pardoning yourself. Otherwise you are granting a nearly unchecked and absolute power.
  

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