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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Reply #20 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 11:34pm
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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Pardoning Flynn for example could be taken as evidence to obstruct justice, as it would potentially remove Flynn as a cooperating witness against Trump.


I think that boat has sailed. If Flynn was ever going to roll over on Trump (I imagine he has already, but we can't say with 100% certainty), he would have as part of arranging the plea deal he was offered.

Not that a pardon would come his way, as Trump and loyalty only operates in one direction, but at this point it would be of no benefit to Trump to do it.
  

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Reply #22 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 11:40pm
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MJ wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 11:34pm:
I think that boat has sailed. If Flynn was ever going to roll over on Trump (I imagine he has already, but we can't say with 100% certainty), he would have as part of arranging the plea deal he was offered.

Not that a pardon would come his way, as Trump and loyalty only operates in one direction, but at this point it would be of no benefit to Trump to do it.

Yeah, I was just using that as an example. if Trump pardoned Flynn I suspect they would hit him with state-level charges and start the process over again anyway.
  

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Reply #23 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 12:02am
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Why is Trump going to pardon anyone?
  

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Reply #24 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 12:17am
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Stop Being Naked in the Car wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 12:02am:
Why is Trump going to pardon anyone?

I'm sure everything will be fine. No worries. Run along. Prefer not to have you wreck this thread.
  

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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Reply #25 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 12:21am
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Vypr wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 12:17am:
I'm sure everything will be fine. No worries. Run along. Prefer not to have you wreck this thread.

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I'm still waiting for you to explain how the charge of money laundering will lead back to Trump but you keep running away.
  

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Reply #26 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:22am
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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
And yes, I understand your argument on this. I just feel the difference between the two situations is such that a SCOTUS review would not be automatically out of the question for the second case.


If you mean would the SCOTUS review it if he tried to pardon himself, almost certainly, after someone sued him. And they'd rule against it, citing it was as absurd as trying to legally marry or adopt oneself, two other legal terms in which a second party is assumed and need not be spelled out.

They only way they might not is if they found nobody had standing to sue. In which case, Congress would impeach him for misusing his powers and almost certainly convict.

If you mean would they review it if he tried to pardon an associate or co-conspirator, I doubt it.
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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Reply #27 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:37am
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Stop Being Naked in the Car wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 12:02am:
Why is Trump going to pardon anyone?

They are projecting based upon their on bias.

The President wants to get rid of this annoyance.

" “This is moving faster than anyone really realizes,” the person said. Trump is comfortable participating in an interview and believes it would put to rest questions about whether his campaign coordinated with Russia in the 2016 election, the person added. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-indicates-he-will-likely-seek-in...
  

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Reply #28 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:55am
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Mueller knows that allowing Trump to submit written responses to questioning will only result in Trump's lawyers writing those responses.  Nothing will get resolved.

Nothing will get resolved with Trump submitting to live questioning either, but there is a chance Trump will screw it up.  No doubt he will be on heavy coke Diet Coke that day in preparation.

Mueller is likely doing this as a perfunctory final step in discovery -- if he didn't, he'd be accused of cherry-picking evidence and testimony.  In my opinion, this is a sign that things are wrapping up somewhat.
  

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Re: If Trump does an interview with Mueller and lies, can he then pardon his own felony?
Reply #29 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:57am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:55am:
Mueller knows that allowing Trump to submit written responses to questioning will only result in Trump's lawyers writing those responses.  Nothing will get resolved.

Nothing will get resolved with Trump submitting to live questioning either, but there is a chance Trump will screw it up.  No doubt he will be on heavy coke Diet Coke that day in preparation.

Mueller is likely doing this as a perfunctory final step in discovery -- if he didn't, he'd be accused of cherry-picking evidence and testimony.  In my opinion, this is a sign that things are wrapping up somewhat.


Things are, hopefully, wrapping up. This distraction, woven out of hope cloth, should never have occured.
  

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