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Re: “I Have Wondered if Black People Even Have Souls”
Reply #10 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:59pm
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A person's feelings toward another race should be irrelevant here. What's important is the jury weighing the factual evidence. It would be a travesty if the criminal's life were spared simply because one of the jurors doesn't like his skin color.
  


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Reply #11 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 7:03pm
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Jasmine wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:59pm:
A person's feelings toward another race should be irrelevant here. What's important is the jury weighing the factual evidence. It would be a travesty if the criminal's life were spared simply because one of the jurors doesn't like his skin color.

But would it be an equal travesty if his life was taken because someone on the jury didn't like his skin color?

If someone says, "all n*ggers are soulless monsters", do you think they will be an impartial juror?
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 7:05pm
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Does anyone know what the standard is for deciding whether or not a jury is impartial?

Claiming black people have no souls while (presumably) white people do is reprehensible, but it isn't the same as saying black people are always guilty.

I'm not defending this guy, but the courts don't get to overturn convictions because a juror is a cretin. His words don't necessarily demonstrate a lack of ability to judge a case.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want the guy on my jury and I would probably do the same thing if I were the convict, but you have to be careful. If a pastor is convicted of murder and 7 years later a juror says he's always thought Christians were fools, that doesn't necessarily mean the conviction gets overturned.

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Having re-read the OP, the guy's other statements about the different kinds of black people are more problematic. However, it depends on whether or not his opinion of Tharpe came before or after he decided he was guilty.

  



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Re: “I Have Wondered if Black People Even Have Souls”
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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 7:03pm:
But would it be an equal travesty if his life was taken because someone on the jury didn't like his skin color?

Yes, it would be equally a travesty.

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If someone says, "all n*ggers are soulless monsters", do you think they will be an impartial juror?

It depends on the person. I don't like muslims, but if given the responsibility to weigh a life-changing guilty/not guilty verdict upon such a person, I can guarantee you I would take it seriously and not let my bias affect my decision.

I will admit that it's possible that the juror was prejudiced, so I can understand the stay of execution in this case. One thing I'm curious about: Shouldn't each prospective juror be carefully and thoroughly vetted by the attorneys before being selected?
  


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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
You could win the Daughters of the Confederacy popularity contest for sure.

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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
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Barney Gattie served on the jury in Georgia that sentenced Keith Tharpe to death for the murder of Jaquelin Freeman. Gattie is white; Tharpe is black, and so was Freeman. Seven years after the trial, Gattie stated in a sworn affidavit that he believed “there are two types of black people”—“black folks” and “n*ggers.” He declared that Tharpe was a “n*gger” while the Freemans were “nice black folks.” Gattie added that “after studying the Bible, I have wondered if black people even have souls.”

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Demos wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
Stu has been doxxed?

Seems so.
  

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Re: “I Have Wondered if Black People Even Have Souls”
Reply #17 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 8:00am
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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 7:03pm:
But would it be an equal travesty if his life was taken because someone on the jury didn't like his skin color?

If someone says, "all n*ggers are soulless monsters", do you think they will be an impartial juror?


It would also be a travesty if the white person were killed just because of his or her skin color. But that person is still dead.
  
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Re: “I Have Wondered if Black People Even Have Souls”
Reply #18 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 8:12am
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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
“I Have Wondered if Black People Even Have Souls”

These shockingly racist juror statements don’t matter to the Supreme Court’s conservatives.


Barney Gattie served on the jury in Georgia that sentenced Keith Tharpe to death for the murder of Jaquelin Freeman. Gattie is white; Tharpe is black, and so was Freeman. Seven years after the trial, Gattie stated in a sworn affidavit that he believed “there are two types of black people”—“black folks” and “n*ggers.” He declared that Tharpe was a “n*gger” while the Freemans were “nice black folks.” Gattie added that “after studying the Bible, I have wondered if black people even have souls.” In light of this affidavit, Tharpe argued that his constitutional right to an impartial jury had been violated. A state court disagreed, as did a federal district court. In September, a federal appeals court also ruled against Tharpe, clearing the way for his execution—which the Supreme Court blocked in September, over the dissents of Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch.


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According to the Pope, even my doggy has a soul.

As far as whether Black have souls, didn't you ever watch Soul Train?

  

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Re: “I Have Wondered if Black People Even Have Souls”
Reply #19 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 2:21pm
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Vypr wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
If your point is there are no souls, so no one has such a thing, then so be it. If your point is something else, feel free to expand on it and explain.

People that believe in God and do have souls don’t usually go around murdering other people. The color of the murderer does not matter. If they are living by the Ten Commandments, whatever color, that is what matters. If they had a soul they would not murder.

The sixth commandment “Thou shalt not Murder”. That is right, the word murder. You attack me or my family with intent to harm or murder, I can kill you to save us, and that is not murder. That is kill. Not a sin. Our military kills to protect us. Thank God for them.
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