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Re: Attempted deal on immigration
Reply #10 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:23am
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Lomelis wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:45am:
"The wall" should have been symbolic for an actual immigration proposal that leads potential immigrants to follow the legal pathway.


The "legal pathway" already exists - just follow the damn rules!
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  Not an actual "wall" which is idiotic.  It doesn't work.  Countless cities, countries, and empires built walls that failed.  All it takes is a shovel or a ladder and you can get around a wall.  The Great Wall of America isn't going to be built on our southern border and even it were it would fail.


Another unsupported regurgitation of the "won't work" mantra!  Grin

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What you need is actual policy that smoothly allows legal immigration of non violent migrants that can eventually assimilate to the local culture.  Full assimilation takes about 3 or 4 generations.


We don't need to "smooth" a damn thing.  Immigration should be limited to skilled, non-criminal non-terrorist self-supporting people who will benefit America, not hordes of illiterates.

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Our immigration system just basically sucks.  It's horribly inefficient and creates criminals of hard working people that risk basically everything in an attempt to better themselves and their families.


They create criminals of themselves!  Your statement is asinine - like if someone robbed a bank, and then said the system made him a criminal by making bank robbing illegal!  Grin

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We have a culture that is unwilling to work the fields for a very small wage.  This cheap labor is necessary to ensure that we have a cheap food supply, however we don't have to deny these people the opportunity to move on and advance or provide opportunities for their children.


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Oh Lordy! - it's 2018, and there's STILL someone puking up the ol' "work the fields" non-argument!   Grin  Nobody will "work the fields" because it's done by exploited black market labor.  In the absence of such people, the wage offered would rise until someone took the job.  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Attempted deal on immigration
Reply #11 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 6:00am
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Jasmine wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
I just don't think a wall would work in this case. There's a reason Mexicans are called "jumping beans."


For heaven's sake.  Knock off the racist or cutsy remarks, puhleese.   This really is a serious subject.  The people who live on our side of the border are in favor of the wall.  They are the people who are most effected by not having a wall.  This does not effect you at all, where you live, so I really do understand your lack of concern.  However, it's probably one of the most important decisions that President Trump and those who will follow him will have to decide; how to defend our border.  For me, the best defense is a good offense, and that is building the wall, adding more men and women to our Border Patrol, ending chain migration, and enforcing our Immigration Laws.  I'm certain other things need to be done, but these would be good starters.
  
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Re: Attempted deal on immigration
Reply #12 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 6:35am
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patrick2 wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Trump offers a trade allowing the "dreamers". i.e., illegal aliens brought as children to the US, to stay, in return for: the wall, end of the infamous immigration lottery, and end of chain migration.  The lib media likes to portray the "dreamers" as hopeful innocent children, when some of them are as old as 35.  The libs won't agree to this and here's why.

The whole leftwing promotion of the illegal alien invasion has to do with political power for themselves.  The last election showed they've FINALLY alienated white working class men, their neglected former key constituency, with their obsession with minorities, transgenders, feminazis, etc.

The libs put together a numeric majority in the last election consisting of minorities, millennial losers, and young feminazi women, but because of the electoral college system, that wasn't enough and won't be in 2020. 

The illegal alien invasion - in the eyes of the leftwing,  millions of new democrat voters - is effected by ALL the above-mentioned mechanisms, including anchor babies, which Trump hasn't addressed.  The importation of Mexicans and latin americans is the future lifeblood of the leftwing, and Trump should realize they won't cooperate on any of it.  Short of him finding a few democrats he can buy off with, say, infrastructure projects, he should advance his policies with executive orders.



But then in the end says that he will sign anything the worthless congressmen put in front of him Roll Eyes Angry

  

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Re: Attempted deal on immigration
Reply #13 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 6:45am
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Lomelis wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:45am:
"The wall" should have been symbolic for an actual immigration proposal that leads potential immigrants to follow the legal pathway.  Not an actual "wall" which is idiotic.  It doesn't work.  Countless cities, countries, and empires built walls that failed.  All it takes is a shovel or a ladder and you can get around a wall.  The Great Wall of America isn't going to be built on our southern border and even it were it would fail.

What you need is actual policy that smoothly allows legal immigration of non violent migrants that can eventually assimilate to the local culture.  Full assimilation takes about 3 or 4 generations.

Our immigration system just basically sucks.  It's horribly inefficient and creates criminals of hard working people that risk basically everything in an attempt to better themselves and their families.

We have a culture that is unwilling to work the fields for a very small wage.  This cheap labor is necessary to ensure that we have a cheap food supply, however we don't have to deny these people the opportunity to move on and advance or provide opportunities for their children.



Hey Lomelis?!

How's that sanctuary state? Cheesy Grin Shocked
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