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Re: Someone math this for me please
Reply #40 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:38pm
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The country Round Numberstan has 1000 people:

800 are foos
200 are bars

10% of the foos are on assistance.  10% of 800 is 80, so 80 foos are on assistance.

20% of the bars are on assistance.  20% of 200 is 40, so 40 bars are on assistance.

Both of these following statements are true:

1. There are more foos than bars on assistance.
2. There is a larger percentage of bars on assistance than foos.
  

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Re: Someone math this for me please
Reply #41 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 8:16pm
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Running Deer wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:38pm:
Both of these following statements are true:

1. There are more foos than bars on assistance.
2. There is a larger percentage of bars on assistance than foos.


I once saw a Democrat senator, I think it was Biden, but it's been several years, so I might be misremembering, complaining about the Bush tax cuts. He was discussing the cut the rich were getting in actual dollars and comparing it to the percentage of cut the middle class was getting, without saying that's what he was doing. And he would do it all in one sentence.

These numbers aren't accurate, but it was something like, "The richest Americans are getting 900 thousand dollars in tax cuts while the middle class only gets a cut of 7%!"

I remember being infuriated by the fact that A. He was bold enough to pull such a stunt,  B. Some of my fellow Americans would fall for it and C. There was zero chance anyone would call him on it to his face.

  



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Re: Someone math this for me please
Reply #42 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 10:10pm
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Running Deer wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:38pm:
The country Round Numberstan has 1000 people:

800 are foos
200 are bars

10% of the foos are on assistance.  10% of 800 is 80, so 80 foos are on assistance.

20% of the bars are on assistance.  20% of 200 is 40, so 40 bars are on assistance.

Both of these following statements are true:

1. There are more foos than bars on assistance.
2. There is a larger percentage of bars on assistance than foos.


Are you a math teacher?
  
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Reply #43 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 3:19am
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Luther wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:17am:
Yeah, but I want to keep hammering that point because most people cant see it's greater Wink


What point are you trying to emphasize? It almost seems like you are trying to imply that the total numbers are greater.
  
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Reply #44 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 3:23am
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Josie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Are you a math teacher?


He's probably an engineer. For some reason, engineers seem to like "foo" and "bar".

I had a bunch of mathy friends, and I haven't heard any of them use.
  
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Reply #45 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 3:24am
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Wadsworth wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Just tired of beating a dead horse.


  

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Re: Someone math this for me please
Reply #46 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 3:47am
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crepe05 wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 6:36am:
Good grief, of course questions asked for most statistical purposes involve a person's opinion.  How else do we judge whatever the question is.   


That's different than the types of manipulations you were describing before. You were specifically talking about issues with surveying.

Of course, there is an issue with figuring out what types of questions are important. This is a part of any intellectual activity and is not inherently bad.


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Out answer can involve many happenings in our lives that led us to our opinion/answer.  My life as a white woman has been different than your life as a man.  My life experiences have been different.  Also my age has formed a lot of my beliefes and opinions.  I became an adult officially at the age of 21 in the mid 1950's.  My life experiences have been a lot different than those of a white woman who officially became an adult in the 80's or whenever it was decided that everyone can vote at the age of 18.  Then we can get into the gender experiences.  Then the financial, and on and on, never forgetting the different racial experiences,and all of it affected our opinions about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".


I don't really understand the point you are trying to make here.
  
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Reply #47 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:07am
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My point is that our life experiences help to form our opinions; in fact, as far as I'm concerned, that is what does form our opinions.  Clarified enough for you?
  
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Reply #48 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:29am
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crepe05 wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:07am:
My point is that our life experiences help to form our opinions; in fact, as far as I'm concerned, that is what does form our opinions.  Clarified enough for you?


OK. I understand what you are saying. I disagree with it.

There are two ways people can be swayed, by herding behavior and by evidence unrelated to their experience. Herding seems to be much more prominent in today's political environment.
  
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Re: Someone math this for me please
Reply #49 - Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:36am
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Possibly Logical wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 7:29am:
OK. I understand what you are saying. I disagree with it.

There are two ways people can be swayed, by herding behavior and by evidence unrelated to their experience. Herding seems to be much more prominent in today's political environment.


But what makes them herdable?   Also, what makes them believe the "evidence"?   To some people it might be believeable, to others it might not be.  Why is that?  I say something in their past experiences.
  
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