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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #40 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:26pm
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Demos wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
Roll Eyes

Go back and read page 2 of this thread. You've claimed the following:

"The court does not allow gerrymandering for partisan gain" (It does).

"It has been allowed because it was never challenged in court" (It has been).

"The difference is that you need to show proof of Gerrymandering.  This may be the case" (That's already been argued in the Wisconsin case which the SCOTUS heard in October 2017).

As usual, you're out of your depth. Instead of acknowledging when you make an incorrect statement (or at the very least reading the links you're provided), you just choose to dig a little deeper.

No it does not.  Read the article in the OP and go back to what I quoted from the article in post 37 which you have chosen to ignore.  The difference is that there was no evidence of gerrymandering for political gain in the previous cases.  In order to win a case, you must have evidence.  The previous cases did not prove their case.
  

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Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, Trump won’t go to his funeral very, very soon.


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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #41 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:32pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:26pm:
No it does not.  Read the article in the OP and go back to what I quoted from the article in post 37 which you have chosen to ignore.  The difference is that there was no evidence of gerrymandering for political gain in the previous cases.  In order to win a case, you must have evidence. The previous cases did not prove their case.



"Democrats in Indiana challenged the constitutionality of the state’s 1981 legislative apportionment plan, claiming that it diluted the votes of Indiana Democrats and therefore violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. A three-judge panel of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Indiana struck down the maps as an unconstitutional gerrymandering. The defendants then appealed to the Supreme Court" (Source).

And that was in the 1980s. They proved it as much as the plaintiffs in the North Carolina case have (how do you think these cases got to the SCOTUS in the first place).

But keep doubling down; it's bound to work out eventually.
  
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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #42 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:32pm
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Demos wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:32pm:
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"Democrats in Indiana challenged the constitutionality of the state’s 1981 legislative apportionment plan, claiming that it diluted the votes of Indiana Democrats and therefore violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. A three-judge panel of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Indiana struck down the maps as an unconstitutional gerrymandering. The defendants then appealed to the Supreme Court" (Source).

And that was in the 1980s. They proved it as much as the plaintiffs in the North Carolina case have (how do you think these cases got to the SCOTUS in the first place).

But keep doubling down; it's bound to work out eventually.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legal-work/Davis_v_Bandemer.pd...

They failed to show a threshold showing of discriminatory vote dilution. Read the opinions.

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Jasmine wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, Trump won’t go to his funeral very, very soon.


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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #43 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:39pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:32pm:
They fail to show a threshold showing of discriminatory vote dilution. Read the opinions.

You're consistently inconsistent.

You say the North Carolina plaintiffs proved their case to the 3 judge panel. Well, so did the Indiana plaintiffs and a host of others.

When the SCOTUS overrules the district court in these prior cases, you say they didn't prove anything, yet you keep claiming there's proof in the North Carolina case based on the district court's ruling.

If there's proof in the North Carolina case, then there was proof in the others. Or since the SCOTUS hasn't ruled, we don't know if the North Carolina plaintiffs have proven their case.

So which is it? Want to double down again?

Maybe you should just quit trying to act like you know it all.
  
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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #44 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:45pm
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Demos wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:39pm:
You're consistently inconsistent.

You say the North Carolina plaintiffs proved their case to the 3 judge panel. Well, so did the Indiana plaintiffs and a host of others.

When the SCOTUS overrules the district court in these prior cases, you say they didn't prove anything, yet you keep claiming there's proof in the North Carolina case based on the district court's ruling.

If there's proof in the North Carolina case, then there was proof in the others. Or since the SCOTUS hasn't ruled, we don't know if the North Carolina plaintiffs have proven their case.

So which is it? Want to double down again?

Maybe you should just quit trying to act like you know it all.

I also said we will see how this goes in the Supreme Court.  You ignorantly beleive that the verdict of one case rules on all cases there after no matter what the evidence is.
  

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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #45 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:55pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:45pm:
You ignorantly beleive that the verdict of one case rules on all cases there after no matter what the evidence is.

Oh yeah? Care to show where I've made any such claim? Or are you mixing up your posters again? Because I'm pretty sure I haven't said that.

The opinions from Davis on have made clear that partisan gerrymandering claims are justiciable. What they have also found is that there aren't sufficient standards for determining a political gerrymander. That's where the Wisconsin case comes in (and why it's more relevant); the plaintiffs are arguing they have a sufficient way to prove it. What the SCOTUS rules in the Wisconsin case will have a significant impact on the future of partisan gerrymandering claims if they find there is a reliable standard.
  
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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #46 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:14pm
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Demos wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:55pm:
Oh yeah? Care to show where I've made any such claim? Or are you mixing up your posters again? Because I'm pretty sure I haven't said that.

The opinions from Davis on have made clear that partisan gerrymandering claims are justiciable. What they have also found is that there aren't sufficient standards for determining a political gerrymander. That's where the Wisconsin case comes in (and why it's more relevant); the plaintiffs are arguing they have a sufficient way to prove it. What the SCOTUS rules in the Wisconsin case will have a significant impact on the future of partisan gerrymandering claims if they find there is a reliable standard.

Demos wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
The Wisconsin case is already before the SCOTUS (why is this so hard to understand); they heard the arguments last October, and the plaintiffs are arguing they can prove partisan gerrymadering (Source).

And here's the oral arguments transcript from the Wisconsin case: https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2017/16-1161_mj...

A ruling in that case will be out before the North Carolina case will be heard.

Enough said
  

Jasmine wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, Trump won’t go to his funeral very, very soon.


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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #47 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:19pm
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I think you might have finally found a way to consistently win arguments, Wads.

Just quote your opponents.
  

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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #48 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:26pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:19pm:
I think you might have finally found a way to consistently win arguments, Wads.

Just quote your opponents.

Whatever you say Harry
  

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Re: Federal court voids North Carolina’s GOP-drawn congressional map
Reply #49 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:31pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:26pm:
Whatever you say Harry

Careful. This could libelous.

You don't want to ruin my career.
  

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