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Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
Jan 10th, 2018 at 12:10pm
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative and liberal U.S. Supreme Court justices appeared at odds on Wednesday in a closely watched voting rights case, differing over whether Ohio's purging of infrequent voters from its registration rolls -- a policy critics say disenfranchises thousands of people -- violates federal law.
The nine justices heard about an hour of arguments in Republican-governed Ohio's appeal of a lower court ruling that found the policy violated a 1993 federal law aimed at making it easier to register to vote.
Conservative justices signaled sympathy to the state's policy while two liberal justices asked questions indicating skepticism toward it. The court has a 5-4 conservative majority.
"The reason for purging is they want to protect voter rolls," said Justice Anthony Kennedy, a conservative who often casts the deciding vote in close decisions. "What we're talking about is the best tools to implement that purpose."
The Supreme Court's ruling, due by the end of June, could affect the ability to vote for thousands of people ahead of November's midterm congressional elections.
States try to maintain accurate voter rolls by removing people who have died or moved away. Ohio is one of seven states, along with Georgia, Montana, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania and West Virginia, that erase infrequent voters from registration lists, according to plaintiffs who sued Ohio in 2016.
They called Ohio's policy the most aggressive. Registered voters in Ohio who do not vote for two years are sent registration confirmation notices. If they do not respond and do not vote over the following four years, they are purged.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-supreme-court-considers-legality-ohio-voter-purging...

I think that it would be easy enough to get dead people off of the rolls by just looking at death certificates.  This is all about purging people that they don't want to vote.
  

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Re: Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 1:14pm
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Why not just show ID at the time of voting?

Also, I don't see any problem with deleting files after 8 years.  That's a lot of elections to miss.
  

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Re: Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
Reply #2 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 1:42pm
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Christophe wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Why not just show ID at the time of voting?

Also, I don't see any problem with deleting files after 8 years.  That's a lot of elections to miss.

Because the government does not have the right to tell you you must vote at every election.  If they are really interested in purging dead people, there is such a thing called a death certificate.  That would be a lot easier to obtain than sending a post card to people who haven't voted.
  

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Re: Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
Reply #3 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 1:46pm
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Christophe wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Why not just show ID at the time of voting?
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Because In Person Voter ID Freud is statically insignificant ..

There is absolutely no evidence for In-Person Voter ID Fraud affecting the outcome of an election.


There IS evidence that Voter ID Laws are put in place to suppress minority, poor, elderly, and student voters..
  

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Re: Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
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Hubba Hubba wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
There IS evidence that Voter ID Laws are put in place to suppress minority, poor, elderly, and student voters..


How does it do this?
  



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Re: Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
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Maestro wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:17pm:
How does it do this?

It's all just pushing the statistics. You put in a requirement for a picture ID and all those groups (such as the elderly, as a good example) who may not have cars and don't drive, have to get some other form of picture ID. It's very inconvenient if you have to take a taxi or bus someplace that is not near your home and get a new ID. It can be expensive and time consuming. Make it a pain in the ass, and some fraction of people won't bother or simply can't afford do it. Guaranteed. So make it as hard as you can and you are guaranteed a smaller turn-out for the groups most impacted.
  

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Re: Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 11:06am
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Argument analysis: Ohio voter-registration practices safe?

The Supreme Court heard oral argument today in a challenge to a practice that Ohio uses to maintain its voter-registration lists. Under Ohio law, a voter who does not vote for two years is sent a notice, which asks him to confirm that he is still eligible to vote. If the voter does not return the notice and does not vote for the next four years, he is removed from the voter lists. The challengers argue that this practice violates federal law, which bars states from removing voters from their lists based on a failure to vote. Ohio counters that voters aren’t removed because they don’t vote; the removal only happens if they fail to respond to the notice that is mailed to them and then abstain from voting for four more years. Today the court’s more conservative justices seemed inclined to agree with the state – and could even pick up a sixth vote, from Justice Stephen Breyer...

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Re: Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
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Vypr wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:02pm:
It's all just pushing the statistics. You put in a requirement for a picture ID and all those groups (such as the elderly, as a good example) who may not have cars and don't drive, have to get some other form of picture ID. It's very inconvenient if you have to take a taxi or bus someplace that is not near your home and get a new ID. It can be expensive and time consuming. Make it a pain in the ass, and some fraction of people won't bother or simply can't afford do it. Guaranteed. So make it as hard as you can and you are guaranteed a smaller turn-out for the groups most impacted.

I think you are discounting the massive push on college campuses to turn out this growing segment of the vote.  It's reasonable to limb out all the dead wood every once in awhile, although every two years seems rather ecessive.

http://campusvoteproject.org/studentguides/
  

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Re: Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 11:09pm
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I think after 5 years a person can be declared dead in Ohio. how long after that should they be able to vote?
why not have X amount of years after which people are required to re register to vote, like a drivers lisc.
  
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Re: Supreme Court divided over Ohio voter purge policy
Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 6:50am
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Christophe wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Why not just show ID at the time of voting?

Also, I don't see any problem with deleting files after 8 years.  That's a lot of elections to miss.



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Why not just show ID at the time of voting?


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