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Re: Trump doesn't like Black people from "shithole countries"
Reply #80 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:16am
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Queshank wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Glen, don't sweat it bud.  I went to bed at 9pm.  I sleep about 5 hours a night.  I don't goto bed at 9pm to sleep.  My wife does.  I spend it browsing youtube, watching twitch, reading books and sometimes watching a movie my wife has no interest in on my IPad.  I'm not losing sleep.  My point in saying I got up was to say I took the extra effort of getting out of bed and shuffling to the computer in my underwear to type a rant. Thanks for your concern tho.

Josie, I didn't say America is a shithole.  I said people in Norway and Japan think of America as a shithole in contrast to their own country.  Don't act like leftists twisting what Trump says please.  It's unbecoming.

Josie and Jasmine ... I didn't say America used these countries.  I said "the west."  Limey I'm looking at you.  America's nose ain't clean (Look to page 1 and Bert's spot on observation on foreign owned businesses in Jamaica for an example if you need "evidence")  Don't act like leftists twisting what Trump says please.  It's unbecoming.

And to all 3 of you ... as I said in my post and I'll say even louder now.  No, this isn't a racist comment.  Greg is off base on that.  And if anything his thread and reaction is an example of how the left will crappity smack up and squander this one like they have so many.

I stand by everything I said last night.  There was no political point to this.  This wasn't something that would appeal to those in the middle who are thinking it but don't want to say it out loud.  Like the NFL issue.  Like the Charlottesville issue.  Like border issues.  Trump missed the mark on this one.  He jumped the shark.  And he knows it.  As evidenced by the backtracking and insisting he didn't say it now after last night doubling down.

This is one that is going to rattle moderate conservatives.  And unlike most leftists I believe most conservatives (like most leftists) are decent people.  I don't think most conservatives think it's a good idea to have a president who deliberately and for no reason goes out of his way to malign and insult the most disadvantaged countries in the world.  And there are some smart and highly educated conservatives who know damn well the reasons these countries are "disadvantaged."

But they're still not going to vote for Hillary for president.  So if you think it invalidates everything else I've had to say then let me correct you now. 

This doesn't hurt Trump's re election chances. 

This isn't some monumental issue that tips the scales and suddenly Trump doesn't know how to manipulate and con people and is a moron.  Nothing's changed.  It's Trump being Trump.  He's not infallible.  He doesn't nail it with every comment. 

And he's helped on this as he's been helped all along the way by opposition that will continue to play into it and squander any goodwill they might have been able to generate.  Go watch Anderson Cooper or Rachel Maddow's ridiculous histrionics if you have any doubts (That's one of the things I was doing last night in bed Glen.)

I guess in that regard perhaps this is why Trump did it.  Like he's done so many other things.  To rattle leftists and make them continue to act like the people you DEFINITELY don't want to vote for.  But if that was his plan this was not a direct hit.  He pulled the pin too early on this one.  And any damage he and Republicans don't suffer from this will be luck.  Not Trump.

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I really like your post.  I wish more posters were as genuine and open minded.  We don't have to agree on everything.  If we did, everyone would get pretty damn bored.

I didn't wake up and head to the computer last night, so I missed the fireworks.  Sounds like it was not boring!  Smiley
  

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Re: Trump doesn't like Black people from "shithole countries"
Reply #81 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:25am
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Poor Wallys Almanac wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:16am:
I really like your post.  I wish more posters were as genuine and open minded.  We don't have to agree on everything.  If we did, everyone would get pretty damn bored.

I didn't wake up and head to the computer last night, so I missed the fireworks.  Sounds like it was not boring!  Smiley


Ha!  There were no fireworks.  I was just worked up enough about Trump saying something so ... moronic ... with no upside like there usually is that I ranted a bit on the boards and went back to bed.  Josie, Jasmine and Glen simply thought I was off base so I responded to them this morning.

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Re: Trump doesn't like Black people from "shithole countries"
Reply #82 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:39am
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Queshank wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:25am:
Ha!  There were no fireworks.  I was just worked up enough about Trump saying something so ... moronic ... with no upside like there usually is that I ranted a bit on the boards and went back to bed.  Josie, Jasmine and Glen simply thought I was off base so I responded to them this morning.

You didn't miss nuttin Smiley

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Actually, if you close your eyes real tight and "dream" that Trump wasn't the President, what he said is really not all that moronic or even that much different that exactly the opinion that a majority of Americans feel about this matter. Most Americans probably privately share this same opinion in the same sort of words in the privacy of their own homes, with loved ones who are not going to throw them under the bus, to the pc police.

The fact is that great people are stuck living in their shithole countries.  This neither makes them shitheads nor does it make it our problem!   They need to make their own damn counties great!  We need to put America and Americans First, for the sake of our children and grandchildren!
  

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Re: Trump doesn't like Black people from "shithole countries"
Reply #83 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:42am
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Queshank wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:10am:
I guess in that regard perhaps this is why Trump did it.  Like he's done so many other things.  To rattle leftists and make them continue to act like the people you DEFINITELY don't want to vote for.  But if that was his plan this was not a direct hit.  He pulled the pin too early on this one.  And any damage he and Republicans don't suffer from this will be luck.  Not Trump.

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You give him far too much credit. He said what he believed. Simple as that.
  

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He can’t help himself. He’s just a f**king idiot who thinks he’s winning when people are b*tching about him.”


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Re: Trump doesn't like Black people from "shithole countries"
Reply #84 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:55am
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Actually, if you close your eyes real tight and "dream" that Trump wasn't the President, what he said is really not all that moronic or even that much different that exactly the opinion that a majority of Americans feel about this matter. Most Americans probably privately share this same opinion in the same sort of words in the privacy of their own homes, with loved ones who are not going to throw them under the bus, to the pc police.


But see, Trump IS the president.  And I think there's a lot of people in the country who have ideas about how the president should act, and how the president should talk about other players on the world stage.

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The fact is that great people are stuck living in their shithole countries.  This neither makes them shitheads nor does it make it our problem!   They need to make their own damn counties great!  We need to put America and Americans First, for the sake of our children and grandchildren!


And this is the best interpretation possible for Trump.  And honestly ... it's as valid as the 'TRUMP'S A RACIST!' histrionics the left is going to run with.  But I'm betting your take isn't the one that 'trickles down' to the people who don't pay attention to politics. 

Then again ... you might be onto something and Joe and Jane Manstreet who don't pay attention to politics might already think this and are interpreting the talking heads' observations as direct criticisms of Joe and Jane Manstreet.  (Trump's gotten a lot of mileage out of that phenomenon)  It's not like calling every country besides the USA in the world a 'shithole' isn't something I've been hearing people say all my life.

Honestly my biases are punching through pretty hard on this one and I have my own levels of doubt in my observations on this particular subject.  I probably just need to step back.  When I start getting irritated it's time to take a break.

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Re: Trump doesn't like Black people from "shithole countries"
Reply #85 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:57am
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Vypr wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:42am:
You give him far too much credit. He said what he believed. Simple as that.

I think Q actually thinks that Trump is a deep thinker and plans to put out the B.S. he says.  But in actuality, Trump does not think.  He says what he feels and this is what he feels.  Interpret it as much as you want, but the fact is based on his previous words.  He does not want anymore black and brown people coming into this country. I used to think that Bannon  and his alt-right ideology was behind all of this, but now I see that Trump and Bannon are just the same.
  

Jasmine wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, Trump won’t go to his funeral very, very soon.


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I'll try but it might be beyond my ability. Insulting is "like 90% of what I do here."
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Re: Trump doesn't like Black people from "shithole countries"
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Vypr wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:42am:
You give him far too much credit. He said what he believed. Simple as that.


Trump doesn't believe anything Vypr.

There's a reason he had an advisor listen to thousands of hours of right wing radio and give him reports and summaries for years before the election.  And it wasn't so he could simply voice his own opinions...

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Reply #87 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 11:02am
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Queshank wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Trump doesn't believe anything Vypr.

There's a reason he had an advisor listen to thousands of hours of right wing radio and give him reports and summaries for years before the election.  And it wasn't so he could simply voice his own opinions...

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A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control." Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that "the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true."

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history
  

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He can’t help himself. He’s just a f**king idiot who thinks he’s winning when people are b*tching about him.”


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Re: Trump doesn't like Black people from "shithole countries"
Reply #88 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 11:09am
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A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control." Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that "the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true."

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history


That old saw.

Here's the problem with that line of thinking.

Trump is the guy who hired these people.  If he really didn't want them there ... he didn't need to have them there.  Duh?

Why doesn't this occur to the people who think they're scoring points on this?

Trump, like a number of other salesmen and shmoozers I've known and encountered in my life, adopts the persona of whoever he's talking to.  From cracking jokes about wanting Jews counting his money to talking to Billy Bush in a tour bus for laughs. 

It's what salesmen do.

My dad was a bread salesman.  He was a damn good shmoozer.  I still run into people who talk fondly of my dad even tho he retired in the mid 90s.  My dad has said far worse than this.  One of his favorite refrains to get people going is when he used to tell us as kids that Hitler was his uncle.

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Re: Trump doesn't like Black people from "shithole countries"
Reply #89 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 11:12am
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Queshank wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:55am:
But see, Trump IS the president.  And I think there's a lot of people in the country who have ideas about how the president should act, and how the president should talk about other players on the world stage.


And this is the best interpretation possible for Trump.  And honestly ... it's as valid as the 'TRUMP'S A RACIST!' histrionics the left is going to run with.  But I'm betting your take isn't the one that 'trickles down' to the people who don't pay attention to politics. 

Then again ... you might be onto something and Joe and Jane Manstreet who don't pay attention to politics might already think this and are interpreting the talking heads' observations as direct criticisms of Joe and Jane Manstreet.  (Trump's gotten a lot of mileage out of that phenomenon)  It's not like calling every country besides the USA in the world a 'shithole' isn't something I've been hearing people say all my life.

Honestly my biases are punching through pretty hard on this one and I have my own levels of doubt in my observations on this particular subject.  I probably just need to step back.  When I start getting irritated it's time to take a break.

Queshank

When I heard about Trump's comment this morning, I was having coffee with my wife and she reminded me of something we had heard someone say about Trump.   As a Billionaire, Trump is used to saying whatever he damn well pleased.  He is keenly aware of how most Americans feel and he simply says publicly what most Americans say privately.

We have come to expect our Presidential candidates to act in a way which is in the tradition of past Presidential candidates.  Obama broke from many of the traditions of past Presidents. with much of how he conducted himself as President.  (After all, traditions are not enshrined in our Constitution and are not governed by law).  This was part of Obama's CHANGE.

No one anticipated that the next POTUS would take this CHANGE that Obama started and totally break with traditions to the extend that this POTUS has.

For better or for worse.  The President has the power to shape his Presidency.  Trump speaks just as if he were not a President, but were a CEO of a multi-billion dollar organization or  an average guy talking with his friends at the golf course. 

In some ways, it's refreshing to have an unfiltered President.  In some ways, it's very troubling>   Embarrassed Sad
  

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