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Re: Tillerson: US Troops Will Stay in Syria
Reply #200 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 12:56pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
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Long story short: we should have sent in Western troops and used an overwhelmingly ground assault to dislodge/defeat ISIS in Syria.

This argument ignores some of the U.S. legal issues involved in prosecuting such as conflict (not that those really matter to anyone); however, I would agree that "we lack a realistic and lasting policy and an adequate strategy" not only for dealing with terrorism but the Middle East in general.


I think this is the key right here from the first article:

"If the Islamic State really was and is a serious danger to the West, it should have been dealt with swiftly, decisively, and with no ambiguity about the capability and willingness of the West to destroy any legitimate jihadi target we can find..."


A half assed war that accomplished nothing because it wasn't really a threat.
  

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Re: Tillerson: US Troops Will Stay in Syria
Reply #201 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:15pm
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President Trump announced the complete, immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria with a tweet and a video in December, overruling his generals, alarming Congress and allies and causing his defense secretary and another top aide to quit in protest.

But on Tuesday, he effectively reversed himself with a quick scrawl in black Sharpie — telling lawmakers he now agrees that some U.S. forces should remain.

“I agree 100%,” Trump wrote in a handwritten notation on a letter sent by members of Congress expressing concern over his withdrawal plan. “All is being done...”

Trump penned his response — in bold lettering from the kind of marker he favors — directly on a copy of the letter from Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and a bipartisan group of 11 other lawmakers who had written to the president on Feb. 22. The correspondence applauded the White House announcement on Feb. 21 that “a small peacekeeping group of about 200” U.S. troops will stay in Syria beyond the planned withdrawal of most American forces this spring.

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The section of letter highlighted by Trump mentions "not embolden[ing]" Iran as an "important objective" (Source).

The legal authority for military operations in Syria was already questionable at best (imo, there was no legitimate legal authority), but there is definitely no legal authority justifying our troops remain in Syria for some mission involving Iran.
  
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Reply #202 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 5:20pm
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ISIS Re-Establishes Historical Sanctuary in Iraq

Key Takeaway: ISIS’s post-Caliphate insurgency in Iraq is accelerating faster than efforts to prevent it by the U.S. Anti-ISIS Coalition. ISIS is re-establishing capable insurgent networks in multiple historical strongholds and linking them together, setting the conditions for future offensive operations against the Government of Iraq. The U.S. and its partners should not view the current relative security in Baghdad as confirmation of the defeat of ISIS. The U.S. Anti-ISIS Coalition’s strategy to enable Iraq to “independently manage” an insurgency through intelligence support and other building partner capacity efforts will likely fail to prevent ISIS from regaining momentum based on its current trajectory in Iraq.

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Re: Tillerson: US Troops Will Stay in Syria
Reply #203 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 9:33pm
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Like stomping on mud puddles.

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Reply #204 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 1:40pm
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Queshank wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 9:33pm:
Like stomping on mud puddles.

Interestingly, Sens Kaine and Young have filed legislation to end the 1991 and 2002 Iraq AUMFs; however, they made clear that action against ISIS is still ok under the 2001 AUMF. I think that interpretation of the 2001 AUMF is wrong, but it does give the U.S. military cover to remain in Iraq.
  
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Reply #205 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 1:41pm
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Europe Doesn’t Even Agree on Assad Anymore

The European Union tries to present a united front to the world, but a wide range of issues increasingly divide the continent against itself. The latest question to split the EU is whether to help rebuild Syria—or, rather, whether to help Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to do so.

Although formally united behind a policy of sanctions against the Assad regime, individual countries are beginning to ask whether the current maximalist position should be maintained. While France, Germany, and the United Kingdom want to maintain a tough anti-Assad stand, others in southern and eastern European nations, particularly those with populist governments, want to moderate it. Diplomats from across Europe have told Foreign Policy that the latter group of countries views relations with Syria primarily through the lens of the refugee crisis. They believe that by granting recognition to Assad for having won the war, and assisting him in reconstructing his country, they will be able to expedite the return of Syria refugees...

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Reply #206 - Mar 15th, 2019 at 2:22pm
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Suicide attackers strike people quitting ISIS' last Syria zone

DEIR AL-ZOR PROVINCE, Syria, (REUTERS) - Three suicide attackers in women's clothing killed six people leaving the last Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) enclave in eastern Syria on Friday (March 15) in simultaneous blasts, the US-backed forces besieging the area said.

The attack appears to be the first to target the many thousands of people who have poured out of the enclave at Baghouz over the five weeks since the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) began an offensive there.

People fleeing the area have included surrendering Islamic State fighters, their family members, other supporters of the group, civilians caught up in the conflict and captives of the jihadists...

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Re: Tillerson: US Troops Will Stay in Syria
Reply #207 - Mar 15th, 2019 at 4:53pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 2:22pm:



What year is this? 2019 sure resembles 2009...stay the course people, hold the line, victory is imminent.
  

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Re: Tillerson: US Troops Will Stay in Syria
Reply #208 - Mar 18th, 2019 at 10:50am
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So, we've gone from keeping 200 troops in Syria to 1,000...

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U.S. may keep up to 1,000 troops in Syria

President Donald Trump, after calling for the speedy withdrawal of all 2,000 U.S. troops from Syria, may now be preparing to allow half of them to stay. But the military’s top general says there’s been no change to plans.

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But hey, Beto's poetry huh.

EDIT: Longer story from the Wall Street Journal:

U.S. Military Now Preparing to Leave as Many as 1,000 Troops in Syria
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Re: Tillerson: US Troops Will Stay in Syria
Reply #209 - Mar 18th, 2019 at 1:02pm
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I read this CNN article this morning and thought "I should bring it to this thread."  Then I saw you had already bumped the thread and went to find the article and it's already gone off CNN's front page.

Top US general refutes report that military could keep nearly 1,000 US troops in Syria - CNN - 3/17/19

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Gen. Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is refuting a Wall Street Journal report that the US military was developing plans to keep up to 1,000 troops in Syria, calling it "factually incorrect."

"There has been no change to the plan announced in February and we continue to implement the President's direction to draw down U.S. forces to a residual presence," Dunford said in a statement Sunday.


I expect at least 400 to stay there until the next president can ramp up our presence.

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