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Re: Tillerson: US Troops Will Stay in Syria
Reply #210 - Mar 18th, 2019 at 2:41pm
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Queshank wrote on Mar 18th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

Given that Dunford (links posted previously in this thread) has repeatedly argued for keeping troops in Syria and has been slow playing withdrawal (those reports also linked in this thread), I'm more inclined to believe the Wall Street Journal's report than his refutation of it.
  
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Reply #211 - Mar 18th, 2019 at 2:44pm
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Syria’s Civil War Is Now 3 Civil Wars

The war that has ravaged Syria over the last half-decade is coming to an end. The caliphate declared by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State organization on June 29, 2014, at the al-Nuri mosque in Mosul now consists of a few ravaged square meters in Baghouz, in Syria’s Lower Euphrates River Valley, that are on the verge of falling to Kurdish forces. The mainly Sunni Arab rebellion against the Bashar al-Assad regime, meanwhile, is already over. What remains of it is now the military component of a Turkish project to turn a corner of northwest Syria into a Turkish client entity.

In place of the old wars, however, three new ones have started. They are taking place in the three de facto independent areas whose boundaries are becoming apparent as the smoke from the previous battle clears: the regime-controlled area, guaranteed by Russia; the area east of the Euphrates River controlled by the Syrian Democratic Forces, which are primarily composed of Kurdish fighters protected by the United States and Western air power; and finally the area controlled by the Turks and their Sunni Islamist allies in Idlib province. The regime area consists of about 60 percent of the territory of the country, the SDF has around 30 percent, and the Turkish-Sunni Islamist area is around 10 percent. Each of these areas is now hosting a civil war of its own, supported by neighboring enclaves...

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Re: Tillerson: US Troops Will Stay in Syria
Reply #212 - Mar 18th, 2019 at 2:57pm
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Demos wrote on Mar 18th, 2019 at 2:41pm:
Given that Dunford (links posted previously in this thread) has repeatedly argued for keeping troops in Syria and has been slow playing withdrawal (those reports also linked in this thread), I'm more inclined to believe the Wall Street Journal's report than his refutation of it.


Are you suggesting that employees of the permanent state would lie and manipulate events?

Why I am shocked.  Shocked I tell you.  You should be ashamed of yourself besmirching noble warrior heroes like this.

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Reply #213 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 1:26pm
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Inside the Fall of the Islamic State

This month, the last remaining Syrian village held by the Islamic State fell to U.S.-backed Kurdish coalition forces. The Vice News Tonight reporter Aris Roussinos embedded with those forces earlier this year. On First Person this week, he describes the final battles of the war against the Islamic State and the perils that still await Syria.

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Reply #214 - Apr 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm
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France, UK and US issue warning on anniversary of Syria chemical attack

Two years on from the horrific chemical weapons attacks that took place in Khan Sheikhoun, and almost one year since the attack in Douma, we the United States, United Kingdom and France warn against, and remain firm in our resolve to respond appropriately to, any use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime. The regime’s history of repeatedly using chemical weapons against its own people cannot be disputed, and we remain determined to hold it accountable for indiscriminately killing innocent men, women and children with these heinous weapons. These attacks violate international norms, have caused extreme suffering, and contributed to a worsening of the already acute humanitarian crisis in Syria.

The Assad regime was shielded from being held immediately accountable for its continued use of chemical weapons in particular in the United Nations Security Council with the dismantling of the independent investigative mechanism designed to attribute responsibility for chemical weapons attacks in Syria. Responsible states have remained committed to upholding the prohibition against chemical weapons and ensuring that there will be no impunity for those who use, seek to use, or protect those who use these weapons, in particular by strengthening the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). The OPCW’s Investigation and Identification Team will now work to identify the perpetrators of chemical weapons use in Syria, an important step in ensuring accountability. The United States, the United Kingdom, and France reaffirm their strong resolve to work jointly in achieving this practical goal.

Only a credible, negotiated political settlement, in line with UN Security Council Resolution 2254, can end the conflict in Syria. The Assad regime must not repeat the use of chemical weapons in Syria. There should be no doubt as to our determination to act strongly and swiftly should the Assad regime use these weapons again in the future.

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Re: Tillerson: US Troops Will Stay in Syria
Reply #215 - Apr 5th, 2019 at 1:55pm
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We are not getting out of Syria.

If my friend's observations about the situation on the ground in Kurdistan hadn't convinced me the president is the one with the least amount of control over our foreign entanglements, Bob Woodward's book "Fear" would have.  A great deal of the book is about Trump arguing with the experts who know better and think he's an idiot over Trump's insistence that we shouldn't be in these countries wasting money and American lives.  The Tillerson "He's a F*ing moron" debacle was in the aftermath of one of these heated cabinet meetings where Trump continued to insist we need to get out of Afghanistan.

(I went looking for that thread to continue discussing the book with Maestro but I lost track of it.  If you see this Maestro ... bump that thread if you can.)

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Reply #216 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 2:04pm
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US urges Russia, Syria to facilitate aid to remote camp

BEIRUT (AP) — The U.S. military said Monday that it is not preventing Syrians from leaving a remote displacement camp near an American base in Syria and is urging Russia and Damascus to help facilitate the delivery of humanitarian aid.

Russia has recently called for the Rukban camp near the Jordanian border to be dismantled and accused the U.S. of hindering such efforts. In the past, Russia and Syria have accused the U.S. of blocking aid delivery...

The camp, which is surrounded by areas controlled by the Syrian government, lies within a “de-confliction zone” agreed to by the U.S. and Russia...

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Reply #217 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 11:46am
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Russia Might Regret the U.S. Drawdown in Syria

When the Syrian civil war began, Russia and the United States backed opposing sides. Moscow was determined not to let another client—this time Bashar al-Assad—fall to U.S. and European intervention, and, simultaneously, the U.S. declared early on that “Assad must go.” When it became clear in summer 2015 that Assad’s regime would collapse without additional outside military support, Russia intervened. More recently, Russia has even tried to portray itself as a peacemaker, initiating negotiations, along with Turkey and Iran, to bring the bloody civil war to a close.

Moscow’s military effort—in conjunction with support from Iran and Hezbollah—was a great success. Assad now controls most of the country, and the United States, which even at its peak had a limited military presence in Syria, has announced a major drawdown of troops. On Dec. 19, 2018, President Trump tweeted, “We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there in the Trump presidency.” Russia’s President Vladimir Putin praised the announcement, saying, “[I]f the decision to withdraw was made, then it is the correct one.”

Since then, Russia has had to grapple more seriously with the tensions among its own partners. The maneuvering of the past few months—Trump’s announcement and subsequent Russian negotiation efforts—has left open the question of whether or not Russia can declare the Syrian civil war a “win.” At the very least, Trump’s decision has clear implications for Russia’s calculations...

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