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Reply #20 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 9:02am
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 8:12am:
If we take the gospels at it's word then how could any Christian sit while unbelievers perish?  If I sat and watch my neighbors house burn without warning them that would be viewed as cold and heartless, if not evil.


We seem to have strayed from the OP, but discussions do that.  There is warning and there is badgering.  Sometimes believers do more of the latter.  How many times does a fellow need to be told?  Scripture addresses that, too. 

http://biblehub.com/matthew/10-14.htm

The Great Commission is "go tell,"  not "go sell."
  

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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #21 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 9:28am
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ShockedEF wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 9:02am:
We seem to have strayed from the OP, but discussions do that.  There is warning and there is badgering.  Sometimes believers do more of the latter.  How many times does a fellow need to be told?  Scripture addresses that, too. 

http://biblehub.com/matthew/10-14.htm

The Great Commission is "go tell,"  not "go sell."

The conversation is not about how many times we warn, but whether or not discussing the consequence of sin should be brought up.
  


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Reply #22 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 9:32am
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EF, how can ANYONE understand God's grace if they are never told why they need it?  Paul wrote extensively on this and in Rom 3 states "All have sin... no one seeks God... No one is righteous...
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #23 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 10:01am
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John 3:16  For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son...  Does it simply stop there?  No, "that whoever believes, SHALL NOT PERISH."

Rom 6:22 23  FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Matthew 25:46
AND THEY WILL GO AWAY INTO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, but the righteous into eternal life."

The Bible sets the tone and the example by revealing the consequences of sin and the reward of redemption over and over.  So where in scripture am I told to avoid warning sinners of his impending wrath?  Did Jesus spare them?

Jesus spoke about hell more then anyone else.

“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28).

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Matt 22…12‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ But the man was speechless. 13Then the king told the servants, ‘Tie him hand and foot and throw him outside into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Seems Jesus wanted people to know of the consequences of sin.
  


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Reply #24 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 11:33am
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 8:12am:
If we take the gospels at it's word then how could any Christian sit while unbelievers perish?  If I sat and watch my neighbors house burn without warning them that would be viewed as cold and heartless, if not evil.



You appear to be arguing for this:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortara_case
  

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Reply #25 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 11:39am
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Limey. wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 11:33am:
You appear to be arguing for this:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortara_case

I am not Catholic.  Aside from that no idea your point.
  


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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #26 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 2:25pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 11:39am:
I am not Catholic.  Aside from that no idea your point.



Seriously?


No idea? It's fairly obvious.
  

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Reply #27 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 5:41pm
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Limey. wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Seriously?


No idea? It's fairly obvious.

Point it out.
  


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Reply #28 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 7:43pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 10:01am:
Jesus spoke about hell more then anyone else.


Jesus spoke of hell as the actual word for hell, Gehenna. An actual place outside Jerusalem.

He did not speak of it in terms of a post-death place of eternal torment.
  

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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #29 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 7:52pm
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MJ wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Jesus spoke of hell as the actual word for hell, Gehenna. An actual place outside Jerusalem.

He did not speak of it in terms of a post-death place of eternal torment.


Matt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Not anything like you are claiming.  The Bible speaks of eternal punishment and as the verse above quotes Jesus he says everlasting fire.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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