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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #30 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 7:59pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Point it out.



Your idea about a duty to save is exactly what those tragic, deluded, moronic Catholics had in their under educated brains when they hatched their imbecilic and wicked plans about Jewish kids.


They were like you; driven by their belief to interfere in people’s lives.


Knowing what you say on the Politics forum about State interference I find we are drifting towards accusations of hypocrisy.
  

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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #31 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 8:01pm
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Limey. wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 7:59pm:
Your idea about a duty to save is exactly what those tragic, deluded, moronic Catholics had in their under educated brains when they hatched their imbecilic and wicked plans about Jewish kids.


They were like you; driven by their belief to interfere in people’s lives.


Knowing what you say on the Politics forum about State interference I find we are drifting towards accusations of hypocrisy.

Presenting the Gospel is not interfering.  Quite a reach to say anyone is interfering.  This is why this is the Christian forum, you do not grasp why.  Jesus last words, which override the world's view is to go into the world and preach the Gospel.  To you this is not factual, but it is to us and we have an obligation to warn people of the consequences of their rebellion to God.  I can not drag you into heaven nor does God desire anyone who does not wish to be in heaven.  Unfortunately there are only two options.
  


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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #32 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 10:41pm
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I pay no attention to billy as he tries  to re write history as he sees it in his own small warped mind.
  

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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #33 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 10:31am
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just_me wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
I pay no attention to billy as he tries  to re write history as he sees it in his own small warped mind.



probably for the best, as you tend to run away from actual history.

so tell me what part of this post from page 1 is a rewrite of history.

"I'm serious SW. I also assume that any supposed all knowing super being wouldn't need ultrasound to know about the condition of a fetus.

So why did he command Moses to conduct what amounts to genocide - including killing babies and pregnant women?


For the record - I am opposed to abortion, but cannot accept that going back to coat hangers is the answer. All I see in the abortion issue is the politics of attracting single issue voters while doing nothing of substance to encourage carrying to term."
  

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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #34 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 2:21pm
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Murder is murder, whether or not a coathanger is used.  Today’s technology allows us to peer inside a womb and see a child as he/she grows.
  


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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #35 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:51pm
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Seawolf wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 2:21pm:
Murder is murder, whether or not a coathanger is used.  Today’s technology allows us to peer inside a womb and see a child as he/she grows.


But if one is talking about murder as defined by the laws under which each of the United States has operated, abortion is not murder.  It is definitely the taking of a human life (IMO at least and I don't see how anybody could argue that it isn't) but is not and never has been considered or treated as "murder."

Nor do I believe most alleged pro-lifers desire it be treated as murder.  They just want it to be illegal, like it was pre Roe vs Wade, when it was not murder and really not much more of a crime, under secular law, than shoplifting.  Seldom was it prosecuted, and when it was, it was generally only the abortionist who was prosecuted. The lady seeking it and all those who knowingly aided and abetted her in getting it got off mostly, if not entirely, scot-free.

But generally even the abortionist was not prosecuted for the simple reason that it was not investigated.  Very few, if any, law enforcement agencies spent any time seeking abortion clinics.  They reacted to complaints, and those complaints generally followed an abortion that went bad and the lady died or had serious complications that led her to seek treatment at a hospital.
  

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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #36 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 8:10pm
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I am not looking at it through an unbelievers eyes but through the eyes of God, our creator.
  


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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #37 - Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:34am
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Seawolf wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 8:10pm:
I am not looking at it through an unbelievers eyes but through the eyes of God, our creator.


Well and good, but if you wan't to do something about it on this side of the topsoil it's gonna require a lot more effort.
  

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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #38 - Mar 9th, 2018 at 10:17am
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EF wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Well and good, but if you wan't to do something about it on this side of the topsoil it's gonna require a lot more effort. 

There are battles on every front that you and I can not fight.  We go where God leads us but on the other hand, I am not to remain silent while babies are slaughtered.  No excuse is valid for ignoring the slaughter of the most innocent of lives.  Just because I am not at a clinic trying to save them does not meant I have no voice in the matter.  It is murder, pretty simple by God's standards, not too concerned about the world's standards, are you?
  


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Re: Is Abortion Murder?
Reply #39 - Mar 9th, 2018 at 4:23pm
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Seawolf wrote on Mar 9th, 2018 at 10:17am:
There are battles on every front that you and I can not fight.  We go where God leads us but on the other hand, I am not to remain silent while babies are slaughtered.  No excuse is valid for ignoring the slaughter of the most innocent of lives.  Just because I am not at a clinic trying to save them does not meant I have no voice in the matter.  It is murder, pretty simple by God's standards, not too concerned about the world's standards, are you?



No, but I would like to make a difference rather than just make noise.
  

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