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Reply #50 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:24pm
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Poor Wallys Almanac wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:07pm:
As our know, we struggle with our domestic politics, too.  Both of our nations are strong enough to survive the ebb and wane of both the conservative and the liberal tug of 'war'.

I happen to subscribe to the belief in Peace through Strength, as did Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.  Each of our nations have strong political forces who are much more of the opinions that appeasement and disengagement, somehow will make the world a safer place and is in each of our nation's best strategic interests.

When you through in globalization and open borders and immigration into the mix, other nation's ideas of what is in the best interests of Britain and the best interests of the USA, seem to carry far more weight than the options of of own citizens (or so it sometimes seems). Cheers!  Smiley



Margaret Thatcher cut our forces, and tried to give British overseas territories (& their population) to fascist dictatorships.


"Peace through Strength" for her meant hiding behind America.


Sad but true.
  

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Reply #51 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:30pm
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Limey. wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:24pm:
Margaret Thatcher cut our forces, and tried to give British overseas territories (& their population) to fascist dictatorships.


"Peace through Strength" for her meant hiding behind America.


Sad but true.

I am sorry to hear that.  From a Conservative on this side of the pond, I admired a whole lot about here strong Leadership.  I recall here telling George Herbert Walker Bush, "Don't go wobbly legged on me now George" when together our coalition of the willing ejected Saddam Hussain out of Kuwait.  She was the Iron Lady and she was right on the mark with her read on George Bush, Sr.'s greatest flaw.  Desert Storm was the last "good war", in my humble opinion...and Thanks!  Wink
  

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Reply #52 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:33pm
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Internet President Bama Beau wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:58pm:
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Britain will be fine alright. They will probably remain in the EU,
and if we are lucky, give us more people like Christopher Steele.

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You're right. The Brits are a bit uptight, and can use more fiction in their literary diet.
  

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Reply #53 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:47pm
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Poor Wallys Almanac wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:30pm:
I am sorry to hear that.  From a Conservative on this side of the pond, I admired a whole lot about here strong Leadership.  I recall here telling George Herbert Walker Bush, "Don't go wobbly legged on me now George" when together our coalition of the willing ejected Saddam Hussain out of Kuwait.  She was the Iron Lady and she was right on the mark with her read on George Bush, Sr.'s greatest flaw.  Desert Storm was the last "good war", in my humble opinion...and ThanksWink



Well I only played a minor part but you're welcome.
  

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Re: American military power
Reply #54 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:13pm
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Queshank wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:42am:
And that is exactly what the quote I shared from Machiavelli is describing.

Except Machiavelli is writing about establishing a new order when a prince takes over a state. But Trump hasn't introduced new forms of government or changed it significantly in any way. Look at the budget that was just passed, which he signed. It increased spending and expanded deficits (Source). And the fights we're having aren't substantively new as far as policy goes (it's just who's defending what that's shifted).

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You can win a debate to win the contest.  Or you can do like Bush did in 2003.  Simply "persuade" the nation to go along with it with a goal manufactured and designed to maximize the potential for generating the necessary support.



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Have we ever in our country's history had a debate about going to war?

It's been a long time. Part of the reason we haven't had that debate in a long time is because Congress has ceded so much of its war making powers to the executive. They also don't want to take a vote that will make them accountable.
  
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