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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #10 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:16pm
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Limey. wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:09pm:
Well, it’s polite to say ‘oh how sweet. You believe in fairies’.

It’s hardly smug to say ‘do you mind awfully if we predicate our various policies on the assumption that you’re a delusional moron?’




Says the man who is attending church. Now why would anyone who would make a remark like that even entertain the idea of attending a worship service he has no belief in?
  


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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #11 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:59pm
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USyeah wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:06pm:
and that would be the 9th Circus which overturned Prop 8





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A total of 0.15% of 9th circuit cases were heard by the Supreme Court Of those cases, 80% were overturned (reversed or vacated).
  



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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #12 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 12:05am
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and still the USSC legalized SSM

can't wait for them to put all this cake BS out to pasture, well except for in places like KY but they'll come around they always do
  
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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #13 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:07am
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:16pm:
Says the man who is attending church. Now why would anyone who would make a remark like that even entertain the idea of attending a worship service he has no belief in?



Well I suppose that means you don’t know what the “P” in “PM” stands for doesn’t it?


  

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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #14 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:57am
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"I think I should be able to use the threat of force to make other people do work for me they don't want to do."

-Slaveowners
  

None of this is real. Come on. From the micro (you're all Russian bots) to the macro (we're in a simulation of the past from some rich kid in 2813), let's just all agree that our lives are a beautiful fiction.
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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #15 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:17am
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:57am:
"I think I should be able to use the threat of force to make other people do work for me they don't want to do."

-Slaveowners

“I think I should be able to exclude people from society for arbitrary reasons with no ill effect to myself”

- Autocrats.
  

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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #16 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:21am
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Limey. wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:17am:
“I think I should be able to exclude people from society for arbitrary reasons with no ill effect to myself”

- Autocrats.

Exclude from society? This is just about an individual choosing who he or she interacts with. It's a pretty fundamental aspect of freedom.

Do you exclude people from your home? Or is everybody welcome into it?

And if you exclude, are you an autocrat?
  

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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #17 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:24am
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Exclude from society? This is just about an individual choosing who he or she interacts with. It's a pretty fundamental aspect of freedom.

Do you exclude people from your home? Or is everybody welcome into it?

And if you exclude, are you an autocrat?


Oh, ok.


I can exclude darkies from my picture-framing shop.  That’s fine. Different from my home of course, what with my shop being open to the public.



Obviously, we wouldn’t want apartheid, would we?




Erm..... can you just clear up where the boundary is?
  

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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #18 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:29am
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Limey. wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:24am:
Oh, ok.


I can exclude darkies from my picture-framing shop.  That’s fine.

Can you imagine how a picture frame shop in Virginia or New Hampshire would fare if it was let out that the owner would not cater to blacks? My goodness, he'd be out of business in a day. Any sort of racist behavior like that would be punished severely by the market.

I can name celebrities' careers that have been destroyed or seriously injured by a few sentences of racist thought.

Limey. wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:24am:
Obviously, we wouldn’t want apartheid, would we?

Apartheid was a state enforced system.

It wasn't a baker telling a gay couple: "I can sell you anything here. I just don't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. I don't want to spend my time doing so. There are a hundred other bakers that I'm sure you would be better served by."

Limey. wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:24am:
Erm..... can you just clear up where the boundary is?

The state.
  

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Re: Judge Sticks It to LGBT Activists in Special Ruling for Cake Shop Owner
Reply #19 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:50am
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:29am:
Can you imagine how a picture frame shop in Virginia or New Hampshire would fare if it was let out that the owner would not cater to blacks? My goodness, he'd be out of business in a day. Any sort of racist behavior like that would be punished severely by the market.

I can name celebrities' careers that have been destroyed or seriously injured by a few sentences of racist thought.



Ah, yes, the market.  I wondered when the market - sorry, The Market- would grace us with Its Presence.


Of course The Market didn’t help black South Africans much did it? Because those with the whip hand, economically, wanted apartheid. Didn’t they?

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Apartheid was a state enforced system.

It wasn't a baker telling a gay couple: "I can sell you anything here. I just don't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. I don't want to spend my time doing so. There are a hundred other bakers that I'm sure you would be better served by."


It was a social norm which became codified in to law. Violence -private, not State- by whites on blacks was acceptable before apartheid. Slippery slopes are still slippery slopes even when you’ve only got one foot a tiny bit on them.

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The state.



But surely the prime purpose of the State is to protect its citizens (or in my case, subjects)?
  

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