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Re: New policy change in Baltimore could make police officers financially responsible
Reply #40 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:14pm
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walkstall wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:05pm:
Come on TL your not that dumb.   Grin 

Im being serious! lol
  

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Reply #41 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:33am
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Interesting thread..  Jasmine's giving us peaks into her 12th century views, Walksmall is demonstrating why he should stick to posting gifs of snickering dogs and TL has found himself leading kindergarteners through a civics diorama..
Good stuff.
  
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Re: New policy change in Baltimore could make police officers financially responsible
Reply #42 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:51am
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TowardLiberty wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 3:43pm:
With all the corruption at the Baltimore PD coming out lately, this is a welcomed change.

We know men are not angels. This applies to police officers too. So perhaps it is smart to alter the incentives police face such that they become individually responsible for their actions rather than externalizing responsibility on to the taxpayer.

When they taxpayer is holding the bag police officers face moral hazard. Someone else pays the cost for their bad behavior and thus there is little incentive for it to cease.

https://forwardobserver.com/2018/02/new-policy-change-in-baltimore-could-make-po...

Lets hope there is a chilling effect. The police should be absolutely fearful regarding the liability they face for violating the rights of others.

If we are truly equal before the law, officers should have no more right to use force than any private citizen has.

And pubic policy should help remind the police of that rather than shield them from personal responsibility.



Good.


Seriously impressive political move here, real leadership and courage.
  

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Re: New policy change in Baltimore could make police officers financially responsible
Reply #43 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:52am
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Semi-Omnipotent wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:33am:
Interesting thread..  Jasmine's giving us peaks into her 12th century views, Walksmall is demonstrating why he should stick to posting gifs of snickering dogs and TL has found himself leading kindergarteners through a civics diorama..
Good stuff.




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Reply #44 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:30pm
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Limey. wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:52am:
"Peeks" but otherwise with you all the way.


Could be "piques" as well.
  

Says the guy who "lost his shit after January 20, 2009."
(Or, am I the guy who shit his pants on 9/11 and spent the entire GWOT behind the safety of his monitor?  I can never remember.)

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Re: New policy change in Baltimore could make police officers financially responsible
Reply #45 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:48pm
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PeterR wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:30pm:
Could be "piques" as well.



I rather think not.
  

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Re: New policy change in Baltimore could make police officers financially responsible
Reply #46 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 4:10pm
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Jasmine wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 7:39pm:
I support restitution when merited, such as fraud or financial damages, or when a criminal party has been found guilty.

Well then you must support the civil process and see big problems with criminal courts.
  

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Re: New policy change in Baltimore could make police officers financially responsible
Reply #47 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 4:20pm
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In New York State, police are indemnified by their employer except in the case of their intention wrong (tort).  This is probably the case with all states and municipalities.

Without such indemnification two things might be among the unintended consequences might include, but are not necessarily limited to;

1.  professional police officers will bail on jurisdictions which places them and their families at risk of financial ruin from mere accusations of wrongdoing. Other jurisdiction who have not changed their indemnification policy, will cherry pick the best and the brightest that Baltimore has trained and developed.  The ones who will stay are those that no one wants to hire elsewhere.

2.  police are going to become far more cautious and not as aggressively pursue criminals as they would if they are not going to risk losing everything if they should make a mistake.
  

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Re: New policy change in Baltimore could make police officers financially responsible
Reply #48 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 4:25pm
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Wallyanna Bullish for America wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
In New York State, police are indemnified by their employer except in the case of their intention wrong (tort).  This is probably the case with all states and municipalities.

Without such indemnification two things might be among the unintended consequences might include, but are not necessarily limited to;

1.  professional police officers will bail on jurisdictions which places them and their families at risk of financial ruin from mere accusations of wrongdoing. Other jurisdiction who have not changed their indemnification policy, will cherry pick the best and the brightest that Baltimore has trained and developed.  The ones who will stay are those that no one wants to hire elsewhere.

2.  police are going to become far more cautious and not as aggressively pursue criminals as they would if they are not going to risk losing everything if they should make a mistake.



There's a lot of difference between "honest mistake" & "recklessness" or "deliberate misbehaviour".


The first can easily be forgiven and any harm addressed by insurance.
The latter two less so.
  

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Re: New policy change in Baltimore could make police officers financially responsible
Reply #49 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 4:26pm
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Wallyanna Bullish for America wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
In New York State, police are indemnified by their employer except in the case of their intention wrong (tort).  This is probably the case with all states and municipalities.

Without such indemnification two things might be among the unintended consequences might include, but are not necessarily limited to;

1.  professional police officers will bail on jurisdictions which places them and their families at risk of financial ruin from mere accusations of wrongdoing. Other jurisdiction who have not changed their indemnification policy, will cherry pick the best and the brightest that Baltimore has trained and developed.  The ones who will stay are those that no one wants to hire elsewhere.

2.  police are going to become far more cautious and not as aggressively pursue criminals as they would if they are not going to risk losing everything if they should make a mistake.

Number 1 would be an unintended consequence but I would argue number 2 is an intended consequence. You might say that's the goal of this policy.

Often officers act as if they were outside the law or above it, largely because they are. Ensuring they have more "skin in the game" will hopefully act as a chilling effect on their willingness to abuse someone or use force where it is not warranted.
  

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