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Re: How should we react?
Reply #10 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:51pm
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Semi-Omnipotent wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:43pm:
If you were robbed and told the police that you were robbed you'd want them to believe you. 

The "Believe Women" movement means just that.

You would want them to believe you, but they shouldn't.

They should simply set to task with objectivity to find out exactly what happened.

Lest bias corrupt the investigation.
  

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Re: How should we react?
Reply #11 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:53pm
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Semi-Omnipotent wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:43pm:
If you were robbed and told the police that you were robbed you'd want them to believe you. 

The "Believe Women" movement means just that.

If a women (or man) tells the authorities that they were molested, raped or had an encounter with Trump, they simply want their account to be taken seriously.


It does not mean "guilty until proven innocent"  The intent is not to toss due process out the window.

Evidence matters.

Good response, Fiddles.

I just think there are so many factors to be considered. True, you would think that every accusation should be taken seriously. But what if the accuser has a checkedred past, and has a history of false claims? But, then again, what if her claim is against a man who has proven to be a sexual predator in the past?

This is such a cloudy question with no clear answers.
  


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Re: How should we react?
Reply #12 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:54pm
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Semi-Omnipotent wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:43pm:
If you were robbed and told the police that you were robbed you'd want them to believe you. 

The "Believe Women" movement means just that.

If a women (or man) tells the authorities that they were molested, raped or had an encounter with Trump, they simply want their account to be taken seriously.


It does not mean "guilty until proven innocent"  The intent is not to toss due process out the window.

Evidence matters.







Does an encounter with trump's toupee qualify, as well?

In a dark alley, that would scare the shit out of anybody.
  

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Re: How should we react?
Reply #13 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm
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Jasmine wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:04pm:
How should we react when we hear accusations of sexual harassment or abuse?

Do we automatically assume the accusations are true?

Do we think, "Well, innocent until proven guilty"?

I'm guessing that, most of the time, it is a "He Said/She Said" situation. In these cases, what do you think is the correct way to respond to such an accusation?


We should react with concern for the potential victim and with hope that the objective facts can be determined and justice served.  We should not assume, automatically, that the accusations are true...or false.  We should assume the truth to be undetermined until the facts prove otherwise.
  
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Re: How should we react?
Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:04pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
You would want them to believe you, but they shouldn't.

They should simply set to task with objectivity to find out exactly what happened.

Lest bias corrupt the investigation.



Being in law enforcement for 6 years and My wife in law enforcement for over 20 years.  We know of woman that have given themselves shiner and bruises.   Also men that have given themselves shiner and bruises .
  

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Re: How should we react?
Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:28pm
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Vypr wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
What if you have police photos of the woman with a black eye? Is the guy automatically still getting treated unfairly when he is denied a security clearance and loses his job?


The guy shouldn't have to lose his job, he is innocent until proven guilty, but his clearance should be put on hold until the issue is done.
  

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Re: How should we react?
Reply #16 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:17am
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Semi-Omnipotent wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:43pm:
If you were robbed and told the police that you were robbed you'd want them to believe you. 

The "Believe Women" movement means just that.

If a women (or man) tells the authorities that they were molested, raped or had an encounter with Trump, they simply want their account to be taken seriously.


It does not mean "guilty until proven innocent"  The intent is not to toss due process out the window.

Evidence matters.






We should react to this charge just like we are supposed to react to other accusations.  Carefully find evidence of abuse, carefully find evidence of who actually did the abuse, move through the court system and get a verdict.

I haven't heard of "Believe Women" or whatever it's called.  However, I do have a problem with believing any group all of the time just because of their gender.  Women can lie just as easily as men do.

Charging men of sexual abuse has almost become the popular crime of the week.  That worries me when it happens with any crime. 
  
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Re: How should we react?
Reply #17 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:38am
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
You would want them to believe you, but they shouldn't.

They should simply set to task with objectivity to find out exactly what happened.

Lest bias corrupt the investigation.




I did say that "evidence matters"..   I said "Believe" as in take the report seriously.  "Believe" as in authorities should at least investigate the account. 

  
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Re: How should we react?
Reply #18 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:43am
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walkstall wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
Being in law enforcement for 6 years and My wife in law enforcement for over 20 years.  We know of woman that have given themselves shiner and bruises.   Also men that have given themselves shiner and bruises .   


That's why I said that 'evidence matters'.   

What percentage of all were these men and women that inflicted these injuries to themselves?


  
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Re: How should we react?
Reply #19 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:23am
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Semi-Omnipotent wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:43am:
That's why I said that 'evidence matters'.   

What percentage of all were these men and women that inflicted these injuries to themselves?




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