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Reply #10 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:43pm
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Poor Wallys Almanac wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:42pm:
What's the CNN take?  I heard something about someone saying it might be "a rouge element" of the Russian military.  That's rather hard to swallow.


I edited above to include links.  They all seem to say they were private contractors.

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Reply #11 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:46pm
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Poor Wallys Almanac wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:42pm:
What's the CNN take?  I heard something about someone saying it might be "a rouge element" of the Russian military.  That's rather hard to swallow.



Rut roh kiddies .. Wally smells another conspiracy..   Let's watch what happens.

  

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Reply #12 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:51pm
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Queshank wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
I edited above to include links.  They all seem to say they were private contractors.

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Not buying that a battalion went rogue.  That is a bs story.  We will accept it but highly doubt that those on the ground think it was. 
  


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Reply #13 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:51pm
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*sigh*

We're sitting here talking about how the news is covering this instead of asking the more important questions, such as "Why are we there" and "Should we stay."

  
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Reply #14 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:01pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
Not buying that a battalion went rogue.  That is a bs story.  We will accept it but highly doubt that those on the ground think it was. 

As both the Bloomberg (in the OP) and CNN articles point out, these are contract soldiers, i.e., mercenaries.

They're being recruited by Russian private military companies and sent to Syria with the full knowledge and help of the Russian government (Source).

They did they same thing in Ukraine (Source).

This would allow Russia to maintain some level a deniability about what these Russian soldiers are doing in Syria.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:07pm
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Demos wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
*sigh*

We're sitting here talking about how the news is covering this instead of asking the more important questions, such as "Why are we there" and "Should we stay."


I agree with you.  There also is very little real discussion concerning the same questions regarding the United States current standoff with North Korea. 

This is worth reading...
http://risingpowersproject.com/quarterly/russian-pursuit-regional-hegemony/

(BTW, China is using North Korea to promote their long term interests as well)


  

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Reply #16 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:27pm
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Demos wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
*sigh*

We're sitting here talking about how the news is covering this instead of asking the more important questions, such as "Why are we there" and "Should we stay."


Already stated I am no fan of proxy wars.  As a retired member of the military I am looking at this in a totally different light then you are.
  


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Reply #17 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:29pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Already stated I am no fan of proxy wars.

And? Despite this, you seem to be more excited about the outcome than giving any serious consideration to the consequences of it.

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As a retired member of the military I am looking at this in a totally different light then you are.

By complaining about the news coverage?
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:30pm
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Demos wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:01pm:
As both the Bloomberg (in the OP) and CNN articles point out, these are contract soldiers, i.e., mercenaries.

They're being recruited by Russian private military companies and sent to Syria with the full knowledge and help of the Russian government (Source).

They did they same thing in Ukraine (Source).

This would allow Russia to maintain some level a deniability about what these Russian soldiers are doing in Syria.

I am already aware of it but I am telling you that they are not mercenaries nor are we going to view the conflict as only mercenaries.  You are right, it is a story that gives them cover but had they succeeded in their mission, Russia would have moved in to occupy the territory their “mercenaries” had gained.
  


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Reply #19 - Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:34pm
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Seawolf wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:30pm:
...but I am telling you that they are not mercenaries nor are we going to view the conflict as only mercenaries.

Duh. They're an extension of Russian military policy, just like they've been for a while (see Ukraine link above). 

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You are right, it is a story that gives them cover but had they succeeded in their mission, Russia would have moved in to occupy the territory their “mercenaries” had gained.

Syrian forces would've moved in to occupy the territory. Based on the SkyNews interview with some of these former mercenaries, they're nothing more than canon fodder for the Syrian regime.
  
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