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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #20 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 12:27am
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Luther wrote on Mar 9th, 2018 at 4:27am:
From what I understand, Tariffs are said to be NOT conservative

Not one single thread on it!

You have the floor Stu Grin









https://www.newsmax.com/headline/trump-tariffs-steel-announcement/2018/03/08/id/...


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Luther, .. what you said was not quite accurate!


I posted this story, below, a couple days ago:

''Promises Kept: Donald Trump Signs Steel and Aluminum Tariffs to Protect Workers''

Luther, .. seriously guy, you gotta STOP serving your fellow liberal socialist demoncraps, while pretending you are conservative. -- NOBODY BELIEVES YOU anymore!       Smiley   Grin
                                    
  
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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #21 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 12:56am
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Archie wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 12:25am:
I won’t even mention China and many other countries. But this is one of my favorites.

During his speech to a joint session of the US Congress, American president Donald Trump complained that the Harley-Davidson motorcycle company faces a 100% tariff in in at least one country. Fact check: True.
The tariff, applied by India on motorcycles with engines larger than 800cc, is a full 100%, according to the International Trade Centre. Other notable countries with high tariffs on large motorcycles are Thailand, China, and Malaysia.

And it is not just motorcycles that have to pay. So why can’t we do the same to them?
Just wondering. If a tariff makes a Chinese mobile phone cost the same as an American made mobile phone, which would you buy?
Smiley

So because India fleeces its citizens you think we should be fleeced too? Why would we want to raise taxes on ourselves and send even more of our wealth to the government?

This idea that tariffs are some club to beat up your trade partners with is a fundamental misunderstanding.
  

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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #22 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 4:02am
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Mar 9th, 2018 at 11:16am:
How is a tariff "defensive"?


How about you take Econ 101 so you can hold up your end of a discussion, Sparky?  Grin

Lessee if I can scope this wayyyyyyy down so you'll understand.  Smiley

A market in international trade benefits everyone, >>OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL<<<.

If other countries are making trade a non-level playing field, by such as giving government subsidies to industries which they want to dominate world trade in that area, or dumping goods at below cost in competitor countries, then it is not free trade, and other countries can, will, and should respond in ways to re-level the playing field.  The possiblilities there are tariffs, quotas, or subsidies to their own industries.

Get it?  Get it?

Blink twice if you get it yet.  Smiley  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #23 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 4:36am
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stu_gatze wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 12:27am:
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Luther, .. what you said was not quite accurate!


I posted this story, below, a couple days ago:

''Promises Kept: Donald Trump Signs Steel and Aluminum Tariffs to Protect Workers''

Luther, .. seriously guy, you gotta STOP serving your fellow liberal socialist demoncraps, while pretending you are conservative. -- NOBODY BELIEVES YOU anymore!       Smiley   Grin
                                    



A couple Of days  ago?

What, do you think I was born yesterday? Grin

You posted it a few hours after mine Roll Eyes

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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #24 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 4:42am
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patrick2 wrote on Mar 9th, 2018 at 11:12am:
Gratuitous tariffs are not conservative.  DEFENSIVE tariffs ARE, just as military defense is.



Defensive tariffs? Grin

It's amazing how things get re-branded around here and fast! Grin

  

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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #25 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 4:51am
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Archie wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 12:12am:
We would only be talking over your leftist socialist heads. You have no idea how capitalism works. That is why none of you talk about the trillions Obama put us in debt.
Smiley



And Trump/GOP?
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"The federal government is on track to borrow nearly $1 trillion this fiscal year — Trump's first full year in charge of the budget," the Washington Post's Heather Long reports.


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Why it matters: It's an 84% jump from the last fiscal year, and the highest level of borrowing in six years. In a report out this week, the Congressional Budget Office attributes the rise to the lower level of tax revenue that the government will collect under the new tax law.



https://www.axios.com/us-government-to-borrow-nearly-1-trillion-this-fiscal-year...
  

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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #26 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 5:19am
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Luther wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 4:42am:
Defensive tariffs? Grin

It's amazing how things get re-branded around here and fast! Grin



Why are people having brain freeze over such an obvious concept?  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #27 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 5:25am
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patrick2 wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 5:19am:
Why are people having brain freeze over such an obvious concept?  Roll Eyes


It's just because of this.... That's all Roll Eyes

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It's amazing how things get re-branded around here and fast!
  

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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #28 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 11:50am
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patrick2 wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 4:02am:
How about you take Econ 101 so you can hold up your end of a discussion, Sparky?  Grin


I find that comment ironic since economics as a science cut its teeth refuting the arguments you are making here.

If there is anything economists agree on it is that protection is a bad idea.
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A market in international trade benefits everyone, >>OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL<<<.


No, that's wrong.

Take an Econ 101 class (microeconomics) and you will learn that trade is a win win even when nothing is equal. The theory of comparative advantage states that trade makes both parties better off even when one has an absolute advantage in all things.

And we also know that tariffs end up making everyone worse off because of retaliation.

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If other countries are making trade a non-level playing field, by such as giving government subsidies to industries which they want to dominate world trade in that area, or dumping goods at below cost in competitor countries, then it is not free trade,


Sure it is. Free trade means that price and quantity are free to fluctuate and that both parties are free to walk away.

That's all there is to it.

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and other countries can, will, and should respond in ways to re-level the playing field.  The possiblilities there are tariffs, quotas, or subsidies to their own industries.

What you do not seem to understand is that you cannot tax yourself into prosperity. To the extent you are protecting your domestic industries, you are making your nation poorer.
  

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Re: Why Have Trumper's Been Quiet On Trump Tariffs?
Reply #29 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 12:22pm
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There was a long thread on this already. Maybe last week. Generally I’m against them. Depends on what urvtradingvortner is doing though.
  
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