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Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Apr 3rd, 2018 at 6:57am
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Or.... is it,  I just believe in Jesus Christ and that is it! Wink Huh
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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #1 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 10:37am
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Luther wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 6:57am:
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I will give him credit for being a very intelligent man, even if he wasn't the first to make the observations he made concerning the origin of species.  (He did it better than his predecessors, though.) 

I do not believe (but could be wrong) he ever made any comment about the origin of life, just the origin of species.  He also (I seem to recall) generally refrained from opining about the origin of homo sapiens because it was so fraught with peril. 

My only issue with hard core evolutionists is when they begin with the presumption "since there is no  Creator, then.....".  I know some "theistic evolutionists" (evolution is part of the creation process) and I know some who believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old.  They're all intelligent people.  The ones who believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old are, IMO, misunderstanding the overarching message of Genesis.  The overarching message of Genesis is "God created," not "God created 10,000 years ago."

  

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
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EF wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 10:37am:
I will give him credit for being a very intelligent man, even if he wasn't the first to make the observations he made concerning the origin of species.  (He did it better than his predecessors, though.) 

I do not believe (but could be wrong) he ever made any comment about the origin of life, just the origin of species.  He also (I seem to recall) generally refrained from opining about the origin of homo sapiens because it was so fraught with peril. 

My only issue with hard core evolutionists is when they begin with the presumption "since there is no  Creator, then.....".  I know some "theistic evolutionists" (evolution is part of the creation process) and I know some who believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old.  They're all intelligent people.  The ones who believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old are, IMO, misunderstanding the overarching message of Genesis.  The overarching message of Genesis is "God created," not "God created 10,000 years ago."


We will have to agree to disagree, there are many miracles that go well beyond our true comprehension of God that no man can explain.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #3 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 11:03am
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Several events that man dismisses or scoffs at because we have a finite ability to understand.  Here are examples that challenges us.  God made the shadow go backwards on King Ahaz’s steps.  God made the sun stop during battle till the enemy was completely defeated, when Jesus was crucified the sun went dark for three hours and several historians speak of seeing the stars in the sky (video on Christian forum of historians who wrote of this event).  So who are we to question our Creator on what is possible or impossible for him?
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #4 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 11:09am
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There is no supernatural creator..  The cosmos does not require a creator to exist.

Stories of creators .. (the egg of a giant space dragon.. the dream of a sleeping monk .. a sky man..)  are the result of simple men attempting to make sense of a complex universe ..

That these stories are still told and believed shows how primitive we still are..


  

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Luther wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 6:57am:
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What exactly are you looking for?
  


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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
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Fiddler wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 11:09am:
There is no supernatural creator..  The cosmos does not require a creator to exist.

Stories of creators .. (the egg of a giant space dragon.. the dream of a sleeping monk .. a sky man..)  are the result of simple men attempting to make sense of a complex universe ..

That these stories are still told and believed shows how primitive we still are..



Ok, your opinion but history states differently.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #7 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 12:59pm
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 10:54am:
We will have to agree to disagree, there are many miracles that go well beyond our true comprehension of God that no man can explain.


We already have.

And anything that's a miracle is, by definition, beyond our ability to explain.  Not just many of them, but all of them.
  

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 11:09am:
What exactly are you looking for?


I think he wants to stir the pot a little. 
  

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
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Fiddler wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 11:09am:
There is no supernatural creator..  The cosmos does not require a creator to exist.

Stories of creators .. (the egg of a giant space dragon.. the dream of a sleeping monk .. a sky man..)  are the result of simple men attempting to make sense of a complex universe ..

That these stories are still told and believed shows how primitive we still are..




And a brick wall doesn't require a mason to exist, either.
  

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