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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #30 - Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:27pm
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EF wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Where they differ is on his divinity (wholly man and wholly God) and his resurrection.  Even believers in God the Creator differ in that regard.


For example, Jews and Muslims believe in God but reject the divinity of Jesus.
  

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #31 - Apr 4th, 2018 at 9:08pm
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Running Deer wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
For example, Jews and Muslims believe in God but reject the divinity of Jesus.

Actually the Koran speaks more about Jesus, his miracles it does about Muhammad.  You are right in that the do not recognize the divinity of Jesus Christ.

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CHAPTER 2: JESUS IN THE QURAN
CHRISTIANS UNAWARE

    The Christian does not know that the true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays, always, towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of his faith- the Holy Quran. He does not know that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Hazrat Eesa (meaning revered Jesus) or Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e. (Jesus peace be upon him).

    Every time the Muslim mentions the name Jesus (pbuh) without these words of respect, he would be considered disrespectful, uncouth or barbaric. The Christian does not know that in the Holy Quran Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned by name five times (5x) more than the number of times the prophet of Islam is mentioned in the Book of God. To be exact - twenty five time as against five. For example:

    "..WE GAVE JESUS THE SON OF MARY CLEAR SIGNS AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT"

HOLY QURAN 2:87

    "..O MARY! GOD GIVETH THEE GLAD TIDINGS OF A WORD FROM HIM: HIS NAME WILL BE CHRIST JESUS, THE SON OF MARY.."

HOLY QURAN 3:45

    "..CHRIST JESUS THE SON OF MARY WAS (NO MORE THAN) AN APOSTLE OF GOD.."

http://www.islam101.com/history/people/prophets/jesus/christ_in_islam2.htm

You are also correct that the Jews deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, after all, he was crucified for blasphemy.  At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56–59). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus' “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring—that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" ...
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

Charles Carroll, signer of the DOI
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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #32 - Apr 4th, 2018 at 9:11pm
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EF wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
And it wouldn't matter if they had.  The ONLY issue they had concerned Jesus being the Son of God, and the Dead Sea scrolls don't address that.  The ONLY way a person comes to believe Jesus is the Son of God is through faith, and that faith is described in Ephesians.


Romans 10:17 New King James Version (NKJV)

17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #33 - Apr 4th, 2018 at 9:30pm
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Fiddler wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 12:41pm:
He is as guilty as Christianity is for the American slave trade ..


Yes, because Jesus said, "Go to Africa, enslave the negro, and bring him to the New World."   Roll Eyes
  


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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #34 - Apr 4th, 2018 at 10:07pm
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Frank1 wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Yes, because Jesus said, "Go to Africa, enslave the negro, and bring him to the New World."   Roll Eyes


Instead Darwin said that?..  Right?..
  

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #35 - Apr 4th, 2018 at 10:48pm
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Frank1 wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
I will give Darwin credit for scientific racism.


Someone who heaps glory on the "pre-modern South" doesn't get to complain about racism.
  

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #36 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 7:28am
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Frank1 wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Yes, because Jesus said, "Go to Africa, enslave the negro, and bring him to the New World."   Roll Eyes

I read this verse this morning and I found it revealing.

2 Peter 2:12-17 New International Version (NIV)

12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.

13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.[a] 14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! 15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer,[b] who loved the wages of wickedness. 16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #37 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 5:20pm
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Actually the Koran speaks more about Jesus, his miracles it does about Muhammad. 


Yup.  The first Muslim I ever worked with attended the Jesus Son of Mary Mosque.
  

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #38 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 7:28am
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 9:04am:
Both saved and the unsaved suffer because of sin, it rains on both the just and unjust.  Did Jesus not suffered horribly at our hands?  Was his flesh not ripped off of his back by the lashes, was not his head pierced by the thorns we pressed on his head?  Was his death he suffered the most excruciating one could suffer on our behalf?  It was our darkest hour as man’s true evil was revealed and God’s grace and mercy was granted to sinners like you and me.  On the Christian site is a twenty minute video of the historians testimony outside of scripture of that time period.  They say the closer to the event the testimony the more accurate the history is.  We can deny that it happened, but those who witnessed it are a testimony to that day.



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Both saved and the unsaved suffer because of sin,


No, that is your belief.

So, God has control of Earthquakes, Volcano's and Hurricanes is what you're saying?
  

All throughout our American history, world history, "ordinary people can do extraordinary things"


un·known quan·ti·ty
noun
a person or thing whose nature, value, or significance cannot be determined or is not yet known.
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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #39 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 1:23pm
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Running Deer wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 10:48pm:
Someone who heaps glory on the "pre-modern South" doesn't get to complain about racism.


You guys just really want to obscure any blame that might fall on your hero Darwin, don't you?

One would think it would be easy to condemn one man, in this case Darwin, the facts of whose racism and its interconnectedness with his theories, are clear as day.  Yet you find it easier to condemn an entire civilization and reduce its whole existence to one facet of that existence.

Interesting priorities you have there. 

We must defend the savior Darwin at all costs, because his (utterly absurd and nonsensical) theories give us an excuse for our atheism!   Cheesy

  


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