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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #40 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 1:29pm
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Fiddler wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
Instead Darwin said that?..  Right?..


This is what Mr. Darwin said in the Descent of Man, in accounting for 'breaks' in the 'chain' of evolution.

The great break in the organic chain between man and his nearest allies, which cannot be bridged over by any extinct or living species, has often been advanced as a grave objection to the belief that man is descended from some lower form; but this objection will not appear of much weight to those who, convinced by general reasons, believe in the general principle of evolution. Breaks incessantly occur in all parts of the series, some being wide, sharp and defined, others less so in various degrees; as between the orang and its nearest allies — between the Tarsius and the other Lemuridæ — between the elephant and in a more striking manner between the Ornithorhynchus or Echidna, and other mammals. But all these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked,[270]* will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

  


To say homo sapiens, is to say Homo religiosus; there is no man without God. ~Frithjof Schuon
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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #41 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 10:53pm
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Luther wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 7:28am:
No, that is your belief.

So, God has control of Earthquakes, Volcano's and Hurricanes is what you're saying?

No, that is not my belief that is God's word.  I have no say in the matter nor do you.  Interesting you want to bring this up, Jesus was asked a similar question and here was his response.

Luke 13:1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
  


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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #42 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 10:56pm
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Luther wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 7:28am:
No, that is your belief.

Rom 3:10 As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
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    there is no one who understands;
    there is no one who seeks God.
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All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
    not even one.”[b]
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“Their throats are open graves;
    their tongues practice deceit.”[c]
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”[d]
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    “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]
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“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
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    ruin and misery mark their ways,
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and the way of peace they do not know.”[f]
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    “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[g]
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

Charles Carroll, signer of the DOI
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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #43 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 6:48am
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 10:56pm:
Rom 3:10 As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
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    there is no one who understands;
    there is no one who seeks God.
12
All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
    not even one.”[b]
13
“Their throats are open graves;
    their tongues practice deceit.”[c]
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”[d]
14
    “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]
15
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16
    ruin and misery mark their ways,
17
and the way of peace they do not know.”[f]
18
    “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[g]



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Rom 3:10 As it is written:


Thanks for proving my point Wink Huh Roll Eyes
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No, that is your belief.

  

All throughout our American history, world history, "ordinary people can do extraordinary things"


un·known quan·ti·ty
noun
a person or thing whose nature, value, or significance cannot be determined or is not yet known.
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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #44 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 9:36am
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Frank1 wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 1:29pm:
This is what Mr. Darwin said in the Descent of Man, in accounting for 'breaks' in the 'chain' of evolution.

The great break in the organic chain between man and his nearest allies, which cannot be bridged over by any extinct or living species, has often been advanced as a grave objection to the belief that man is descended from some lower form; but this objection will not appear of much weight to those who, convinced by general reasons, believe in the general principle of evolution. Breaks incessantly occur in all parts of the series, some being wide, sharp and defined, others less so in various degrees; as between the orang and its nearest allies — between the Tarsius and the other Lemuridæ — between the elephant and in a more striking manner between the Ornithorhynchus or Echidna, and other mammals. But all these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked,[270]* will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.




And you think that^ means "Go to Africa, enslave the negro, and bring him to the New World" ..   

You are quite the contortionist Frank ..  Tell me.. Have you ever heard hoof beats that didn't make you think zebras?

  

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #45 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 10:30am
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Luther wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 6:48am:
Thanks for proving my point Wink Huh Roll Eyes

Which is?  My point is this is God's description of man's state, not mine.  It's pretty straight forward leaving no room for a different interpretation.
  


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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #46 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 7:15am
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 10:30am:
Which is?  My point is this is God's description of man's state, not mine.  It's pretty straight forward leaving no room for a different interpretation.



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God's description of man's state,


Yes,,, written by men
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It's pretty straight forward l


No, the only straight forwardness is the points I'm bringing up
  

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Re: Will Christians Give Darwin Any Credit?
Reply #47 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 4:34pm
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Luther wrote on Apr 10th, 2018 at 7:15am:
Yes,,, written by men

No, the only straight forwardness is the points I'm bringing up

Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope.

2 Peter 1:20
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from the prophet's own interpretation.

2 Peter 1:21
For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

So if you think there is fallacy in the Bible because it has been written by man then I would point you to a link to the oldest known manuscript of the book of Isaiah that you can actually compare to today's Bibles to determine if there are discrepancies.  I believe you stated you were once a Christian, which is truly sad.

2 Peter 2:20 If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through their knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and turned away from the holy commandment passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”…
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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