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Re: Will Christians give the President a pass on his infidelities?
Reply #30 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 4:38pm
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I am going to ask this again, exactly what do you want ANY Christian group to say and what is the result you want?  I know of some denominations that do not like Trump so again, you tend to over-generalize way too often.

So are you desiring the church to denounce him and ask for his impeachment?  What is it exactly you are looking for that would satisfy you.
  


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Reply #31 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 7:55pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 4:38pm:
I am going to ask this again, exactly what do you want ANY Christian group to say and what is the result you want?  I know of some denominations that do not like Trump so again, you tend to over-generalize way too often.

So are you desiring the church to denounce him and ask for his impeachment?  What is it exactly you are looking for that would satisfy you.

I think he's looking for an admission that, to most self described "evangelicals," Trump's known adulteries prior to election are irrelevant while to that same group, Bill Clinton's were very relevant.  That there is, in fact, a double standard.  It's painfully obvious, by the way.  Robert Jeffress and Franklin Graham being just two examples. 

So admit it and move on. 
  

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Re: Will Christians give the President a pass on his infidelities?
Reply #32 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 8:24pm
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But to address the question in the subject line.

It's not up to anyone, Christian or not, to give Trump a pass on his infidelities.  That's between him and his significant other(s) and whatever higher power he recognizes. 

Our job as voters was to select the next chief executive through the process set up for doing that.  It resulted in two (IMO) incredibly poor choices, thus validating the founders' intention to keep the "will of the people" as far separated from the selection of a president as humanly possible. 

I claim Romans 8:28 on the result.  Of the two poor choices, I think the less poor was made as far as the country is concerned.  (I don't necessarily think that verse was as operative in the selection of candidates, though.)

It gave the R's, the party of NO, both chambers of congress and the white house.  Suddenly, they had to DO something other than just obstruct.  And they couldn't do it for MONTHS.  And when they finally did, they hurriedly passed a poorly conceived tax cut.

A mercurial clown is now occupying the white house, impulsively tweeting whatever pops in his head. And it's still (IMO) less bad than it would be if Hillary had won.  Not because she's Hillary or a Democrat, but because it would have allowed the R's to continue justifying their existence merely by opposing a president.  They finally had to defecate or get off the pot, and discovered they couldn't defecate.
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Reply #33 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 9:16pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
You are wrong, its about even.  We have a very diverse congregation, one of the most diverse church I have ever been a part of, which speaks very well of the pastor.


I am impressed.  Truly.  Especially since you have, more than once, said "my church doesn't do politics."  Yet you have figured out it's about evenly split.

But I believe you.  It's not like that in my allegedly "evangelical" congregation, though.  Or any one with which I am personally acquainted. And I bet it's not like that at FBC Dallas.
  

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Reply #34 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:47am
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CryEF wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
I am impressed.  Truly.  Especially since you have, more than once, said "my church doesn't do politics."  Yet you have figured out it's about evenly split.

But I believe you.  It's not like that in my allegedly "evangelical" congregation, though.  Or any one with which I am personally acquainted. And I bet it's not like that at FBC Dallas.

I have said my church doesn't do politics?  Can you actually quote me on this?  Yes, we were pretty split in support of Obama at our church.  Do you know your church?
  


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Reply #35 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 12:26pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:47am:
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I have said my church doesn't do politics?  Can you actually quote me on this?  Yes, we were pretty split in support of Obama at our church.  Do you know your church?


I sure thought you had.  I stand corrected.  So your church DOES do politics, and you have determined that the congregation is evenly (and apparently amicably) split between R's and D's.  While such an entity is certainly possible, it is incredibly rare.  And I can't imagine a fellow who posts like you do fitting in very well in such a place.   Yes, I do know my congregation.  And more than a few others.  I have yet to run up on one that's evenly split between R's and D's.

But we all tend to be more aggressive given the anonymity of the usual internet forum.  So I'll chalk it up to that. 

In any event, I apologize for inferring something you apparently did not imply.

  

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Re: Will Christians give the President a pass on his infidelities?
Reply #36 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 8:07pm
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Churches should do politics.



You can’t claim authority on right ‘n wrong and then stand aside from politics.
  

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Re: Will Christians give the President a pass on his infidelities?
Reply #37 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 10:15pm
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EF wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
I sure thought you had.  I stand corrected.  So your church DOES do politics, and you have determined that the congregation is evenly (and apparently amicably) split between R's and D's.  While such an entity is certainly possible, it is incredibly rare.  And I can't imagine a fellow who posts like you do fitting in very well in such a place.   Yes, I do know my congregation.  And more than a few others.  I have yet to run up on one that's evenly split between R's and D's.

But we all tend to be more aggressive given the anonymity of the usual internet forum.  So I'll chalk it up to that. 

In any event, I apologize for inferring something you apparently did not imply.

 

A political forum is vastly different the a Church.  I do not focus on politics when I go to church, I am more interested in growing my faith.
  


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Reply #38 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:45pm
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Limey. wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 8:07pm:
Churches should do politics.



You can’t claim authority on right ‘n wrong and then stand aside from politics.


If they do theology correctly then good political decisions will naturally follow.
  

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Re: Will Christians give the President a pass on his infidelities?
Reply #39 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:09pm
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fair-minded know it all wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
If they do theology correctly then good political decisions will naturally follow.



I dunno - you'd have to throw out much of the OT, for a start.

And then you're in the uncomfortable position of choosing between right and wrong, on the one hand, and observance of Scripture on the other.

Plus, there are quite a lot of different Christian churches who don't always, shall we say, agree entirely. There are two within 500 yards of my house who differ markedly on some quite major points.

Who are you going to get as the fount of wisdom on the theology?
  

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