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Re: Tennessee Defunds Planned Parenthood, All Abortion Providers
Reply #80 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 4:03pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
My point is that the government pays........Not the individual.   That's how it has always been.  Get it.


The government has no money. That is why we have taxes. The government pays for everything with our money.
  

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Re: Tennessee Defunds Planned Parenthood, All Abortion Providers
Reply #81 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 4:12pm
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These are the Progressives that our radical left idolize.  George Bernard Shaw is taught in our schools, well, except the dark side of the Progressive movement.  This is ultimately the road they want to go down, abortion is their first victory.

  


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Re: Tennessee Defunds Planned Parenthood, All Abortion Providers
Reply #82 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 4:29pm
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 4:12pm:
These are the Progressives that our radical left idolize.  George Bernard Shaw is taught in our schools, well, except the dark side of the Progressive movement.  This is ultimately the road they want to go down, abortion is their first victory.



Seems like a plan Jasmine would embrace.
  

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Re: Tennessee Defunds Planned Parenthood, All Abortion Providers
Reply #83 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 4:45pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:15am:
So if aboption is such a great option, then why are so many children in foster care?


From an adoption agency:

Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 couples waiting for every one child who is placed for adoption.

http://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families
  
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Re: Tennessee Defunds Planned Parenthood, All Abortion Providers
Reply #84 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 4:48pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 11:21am:
I am adamantly against abortion, where the life of the mother is not on the line, on a moral level.

I am also adamantly against the centralized state being powerful enough to prevent abortion with legislation.


Utter contradiction.  Like saying I'm adamantly against murder, but adamantly against any laws preventing it.  Or, I'm against any foreign power invading the US, but adamantly against the existence of a US military to prevent it.
  
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Re: Tennessee Defunds Planned Parenthood, All Abortion Providers
Reply #85 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 4:54pm
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patrick2 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Utter contradiction.  Like saying I'm adamantly against murder, but adamantly against any laws preventing it.  Or, I'm against any foreign power invading the US, but adamantly against the existence of a US military to prevent it. 

It's quite different.

Because everything happening with a pregnancy and a hypothetical abortion can occur without anybody every knowing about it except for the woman and the person performing the operation.

Even the father could very feasibly not know.

So you see, it is quite different from your invasion scenario. I suppose a murder could occur with nobody ever knowing about it except for the murderer (if it was a hermit who was murdered), but really, that wouldn't be cracked by any detectives right now anyway.
  

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Reply #86 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:00pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 4:54pm:
It's quite different.

Because everything happening with a pregnancy and a hypothetical abortion can occur without anybody every knowing about it except for the woman and the person performing the operation.



A murder could happen with nobody knowing about except the killer and victim.  And what does other people "knowing" about an act have to do with whether it rises to a level of immorality that it should be illegalized?
  
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Re: Tennessee Defunds Planned Parenthood, All Abortion Providers
Reply #87 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:29pm
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patrick2 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
A murder could happen with nobody knowing about except the killer and victim.

Yes. Well, except the victim doesn't really "know" about it in any sort of useful way. He's dead. And when that happens, the murderer gets away with it. By definition. By the situation that you've described.

So murder is something that requires a sort of public knowledge before society seeks retribution. Like all crimes, really.

That's not to say "might as well make murder legal then!", because the case where nobody even knows a murder occurred is exceedingly rare.

patrick2 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
And what does other people "knowing" about an act have to do with whether it rises to a level of immorality that it should be illegalized?

Pretty much everything. If something is very difficult to find out by its very nature, then you need a very powerful surveillance state if you wish to make it illegal.
  

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Re: Tennessee Defunds Planned Parenthood, All Abortion Providers
Reply #88 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 6:56pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:29pm:
Pretty much everything. If something is very difficult to find out by its very nature, then you need a very powerful surveillance state if you wish to make it illegal.


That is about the most bizarre idea I've ever seen on the net.  That an act, no matter how horrifying, shouldn't be illegalized if by it's nature it's not likely to be known.
  
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Re: Tennessee Defunds Planned Parenthood, All Abortion Providers
Reply #89 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 3:14am
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Fiddler wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 1:27pm:
The guy who said this...




Where?  Can you quote it?

Wadsworth wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
My point is that the government pays........Not the individual.   That's how it has always been.  Get it.



It has?  Source?
  
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