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Reply #10 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 11:24am
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Were you ever linked?


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Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 11:55am
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 9:58am:
Can't argue too much.

I used to be a pro-tariffs/protectionist minded leftist who, over the years, bought in to the libertarian view that all tariffs just added costs and will wreck an economy. That was around the time the Democrats triangulated and embraced Wall Street. I begrudgingly came along for the ride. Turns out my initial position doesn't seem all that wrong, especially considering our trade is only "free" in one direction...

How do you figure?

Trade is free in one direction? I don't know about that.
  

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Reply #12 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:04pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 11:55am:
How do you figure?

Trade is free in one direction? I don't know about that.


I agree.
  

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TowardLiberty wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 11:55am:
How do you figure?

Trade is free in one direction? I don't know about that.


There are less barriers to trade in the US than in the PRC. This is not balanced or "free" trade, rather it's managed trade. The application of tariffs on products imported from them helps balance the equation. I know the counter, we'd simply be adding more inefficiencies and cost...and agree. But in my mind, those additional imposed costs won't stop the pace of gloablization, but may slow it, giving unprepared societies more time to adapt. Yeah, change comes quick but culture is much slower to change. What's the rush? Free trade is the endgame but we can still chose the route.         
  

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Reply #14 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:59pm
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Were you ever linked?


What he and Harry are experiencing is the realization that, as I, you and others told them, the far-right policies they were sold are unquestionably flawed.  .. the people in which they naively put their trust have lied to them for the benefit of American oligarchs .  The realization all but silenced them.   What we see in their admission above is as close to a "You were right. I'm sorry" apology as we will get..
  
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Reply #15 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:18pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
There are less barriers to trade in the US than in the PRC. This is not balanced or "free" trade, rather it's managed trade.


Can't argue with that.

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The application of tariffs on products imported from them helps balance the equation. I know the counter, we'd simply be adding more inefficiencies and cost...and agree. But in my mind, those additional imposed costs won't stop the pace of gloablization, but may slow it, giving unprepared societies more time to adapt.


Isn't that a problem?

If global trade is a great force for economic development in unprepared societies, then slowing the pace is to consign people to poverty, no?

I don't believe we erect trade barriers out of concern for emerging economies. Rather we do it to protect some of our firms from having to compete with low cost producers in emerging markets.

In short, the tariffs are not for "them," they are for "us." (and that "us" refers to the domestic industry or firm, not the nation as a whole)

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Yeah, change comes quick but culture is much slower to change. What's the rush? Free trade is the endgame but we can still chose the route.         

Sure. But why take the long, hard road?
  

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Reply #16 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:24pm
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Were you ever linked?


He's coming apart at the seams.
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 4:53pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
If global trade is a great force for economic development in unprepared societies, then slowing the pace is to consign people to poverty, no?


It will indeed slow the rise of the ascending state, but also slows the fall of the descending state. As I'm a member of the declining state, I'd prefer the brakes be applied. Have you seen the gutted sections of this country? I don't see much of a downside to slowing the transfer of wealth, from a US perspective. Sure, the investor class and the 1% will take a hit but the rest of us could use a bit of time to retool for the changing economy.
  

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Reply #18 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 2:05pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 4:53pm:
It will indeed slow the rise of the ascending state, but also slows the fall of the descending state....


What a load of crap. Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #19 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 2:21pm
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In our life time, every president is a criminal.
In the words of Ken O' Keefe. Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now Trump have committed crimes against humanity and should be in prison.
  

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