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Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:25pm
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I've heard religious people state that everything was created from "nothing", is there any evidence that "nothing" existing is even possible?   It certainly doesn't according to quantum mechanics.

If so, what's some of the properties of nothing?

  
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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #1 - May 11th, 2018 at 4:36pm
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Open your eyes and you will see it. Smiley
  

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atreyu wrote on May 2nd, 2018 at 6:25pm:
I've heard religious people state that everything was created from "nothing", is there any evidence that "nothing" existing is even possible?   It certainly doesn't according to quantum mechanics.

If so, what's some of the properties of nothing?



Even Atheist crackpots like Dawkins theorizes about a time when there was nothing. 


  

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fair-minded know it all wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 3:12pm:
Even Atheist crackpots like Dawkins theorizes about a time when there was nothing. 




That's what happens when you cast your pearls before swine...



Which ironically enough is from "your" bible...

Yes, scientists theorize about "nothing" and unlike you bozos, they're capable of doing it with some substance.
  

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fair-minded know it all wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 3:12pm:
Even Atheist crackpots like Dawkins theorizes about a time when there was nothing. 





Just out of interest, have you read any of Dawkins' works on religion?
  

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BowHunter wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 5:17pm:
That's what happens when you cast your pearls before swine...



Which ironically enough is from "your" bible...

Yes, scientists theorize about "nothing" and unlike you bozos, they're capable of doing it with some substance.


Grin Grin Grin The laughter continues.  Steven Hawking reverted to the mystical medieval theory of spontaneous creation to explain the Universe's "self creation."   The Emperor still has no clothes.
  

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fair-minded know it all wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:30am:
Grin Grin Grin The laughter continues.  Steven Hawking reverted to the mystical medieval theory of spontaneous creation to explain the Universe's "self creation."   The Emperor still has no clothes.


Better that than to have no brain.
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 2:47pm
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Limey. wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Just out of interest, have you read any of Dawkins' works on religion?


I have not.  At least not any books.  I have read articles he has written and articles written about his books.  I would not characterize him as an "atheist crackpot."  Or a crackpot of any sort. 

I did get the impression he was kind of an "evangelical atheist."  Not content to just be an atheist himself, he tries to gain converts.  Which makes atheism almost a "religion" by definition.

I do agree that most belief systems are man made attempts to find a higher power.  Atheists believe that all of them are.   Believers in every religion almost universally believe that all of them but the one they believe in are.

But a higher power must reveal itself, or at least make it easy to be found, if one is to know more about that higher power than it is the Creator.   

Atheists and creationists (and that latter term only refers to people who believe in a Creator; it does not mean only fundamentalist Christians who believe the earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs were passengers on Noah's Ark) can see what exists.  Both wonder how it came to be, and that there are really only two options, and that one must suspend some disbelief to embrace either of them.  The question is which requires more suspension of disbelief:

That an inexplicable, eternal (no beginning, no end) creator, who self exists outside of the constraints of time and space, created an infinitely dense singularity that exploded, at which point time and space were created and matter was flung into a void that was not space and continues to expand into that void that is not space.

Or that infinitely dense singularity self existed, outside of the constraints of time and space, on its own without benefit of an intelligent creator.

Religions are, mostly, man's attempt to keep that creator happy, whoever and whatever it is.  Many people have seen it as a good way to make money and use people for personal benefit.  Richard Dawkins hates those people, and so do I.
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #8 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:05pm
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Dawkins is an exceptionally good writer and his main work on religion, the God Delusion, is an exceptionally well-written book.

His tone seems to be slightly alarmed puzzlement, blended with exasperation and intermittent anger, rather than evangelical hatred of religion.

Seawolf refuses point blank to even consider reading anything by Dawkins.

As a point of interest, he (Dawkins not Seawolf) numbers many distinguished churchmen as personal friends.

Actually, Seawolf may too, I don't know. Is it easier to be a distinguished churchman in America where you can just start a church and be the Bishop just like that?

I'd like to be a Bishop. Those hats lend an air of timelessness and dignity. At least, on an older guy. They might look silly on a college student.
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:22pm
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Limey. wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
Dawkins is an exceptionally good writer and his main work on religion, the God Delusion, is an exceptionally well-written book.

His tone seems to be slightly alarmed puzzlement, blended with exasperation and intermittent anger, rather than evangelical hatred of religion.

Seawolf refuses point blank to even consider reading anything by Dawkins.

As a point of interest, he (Dawkins not Seawolf) numbers many distinguished churchmen as personal friends.

Actually, Seawolf may too, I don't know. Is it easier to be a distinguished churchman in America where you can just start a church and be the Bishop just like that?

I'd like to be a Bishop. Those hats lend an air of timelessness and dignity. At least, on an older guy. They might look silly on a college student.


I think you can do that.  Just get you one of those funny hats and start calling yourself Bishop Limey.  Might hurt your employment prospects and social life, though.

I may get Dawkins' book, but I'd rather have an objective summary of it.  And I think I have, essentially, had that objective summary, if piecemeal.  But I am willling to give him another look.

I do not agree that science and religion are mutually exclusive, though, and I think he does.  If I did, I would likely be an atheist, too.
  

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