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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #20 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:40am
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Limey. wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:58pm:
Yeah, loads, mostly about various cities, rulers and wars.

Seawolf can help you here.


Bullshit! There are plenty of works of fiction that take place in real places. Most of the 19th-century literature for example. Stop being a useful idiot.

As for the "rulers", pretty much everything about them is wrong. Solomon was the head honcho of a few villages for example. He was never a king.

This is well documented by current archeology but these idiots are still in denial about it.
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Queshank wrote on Oct 25th, 2018 at 9:13am:
FC,

I've been thinking about how I can respond conversationally without coming across as a total dick.

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #21 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:05am
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:40am:
Bullshit! There are plenty of works of fiction that take place in real places. Most of the 19th-century literature for example. Stop being a useful idiot.

As for the "rulers", pretty much everything about them is wrong. Solomon was the head honcho of a few villages for example. He was never a king.

This is well documented by current archeology but these idiots are still in denial about it.


Fiction set in real locations is fiction still, of course it is.


In numerous cases (I could dig up a link but you'll accept the point) the Bible is the earliest secondary source affirming historical record.

Time distorts details, and later historians would have looked through the lens of their own time; the word 'king' in Soloman's time may well have meant 'head honcho of  a few villages' and nobody using it would have attached the grandeur of much later 'kings' to it at the time.


I don't think such details matter much really.
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #22 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:55am
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Limey. wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:05am:
Fiction set in real locations is fiction still, of course it is.


In numerous cases (I could dig up a link but you'll accept the point) the Bible is the earliest secondary source affirming historical record.

Time distorts details, and later historians would have looked through the lens of their own time; the word 'king' in Soloman's time may well have meant 'head honcho of  a few villages' and nobody using it would have attached the grandeur of much later 'kings' to it at the time.


I don't think such details matter much really.


It matters that at that time, the Hebrews were so insignificant that they went almost unnoticed for hundreds of years. They were some minor ethnic group that later rewrote their past the way they do it in 1984. Most of the things have been exaggerated on purpose. Not by natural distortions or accident. It was a deliberate act of self-denial and glorification. The way the Nazis did when they rewrote history for the brief time that they were in political control of part of Europe. The Hebrew killed the people that were there before them.  The Archeologists found entire cities burned to the ground by pillagers and later on they (the descendants of the pillagers) told stories about how it was necessary because "God" told them to do so. It's not even an original development.
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #23 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 11:19am
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:40am:
Bullshit! There are plenty of works of fiction that take place in real places. Most of the 19th-century literature for example. Stop being a useful idiot.

As for the "rulers", pretty much everything about them is wrong. Solomon was the head honcho of a few villages for example. He was never a king.

This is well documented by current archeology but these idiots are still in denial about it.


useful idiots are the best kind
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #24 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:37pm
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:55am:
It matters that at that time, the Hebrews were so insignificant that they went almost unnoticed for hundreds of years. They were some minor ethnic group that later rewrote their past the way they do it in 1984. Most of the things have been exaggerated on purpose. Not by natural distortions or accident. It was a deliberate act of self-denial and glorification. The way the Nazis did when they rewrote history for the brief time that they were in political control of part of Europe. The Hebrew killed the people that were there before them.  The Archeologists found entire cities burned to the ground by pillagers and later on they (the descendants of the pillagers) told stories about how it was necessary because "God" told them to do so. It's not even an original development.



I don't disagree with any of that. It's a tragedy and a crime that it's still going on now (well, not so much genocide and enslavement but certainly land theft and mistreatment) in Palestine and lots of religious people are cool with it because God.
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #25 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:41pm
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BowHunter wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Hard fact? Really?


Yes.  Do you think there are absolutely no hard facts in the Bible at all? That absolutely nothing in it actually happened?  There's not a single reputable historian who would agree.
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #26 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:53pm
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Running Deer wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:41pm:
Yes.  Do you think there are absolutely no hard facts in the Bible at all? That absolutely nothing in it actually happened?  There's not a single reputable historian who would agree.



Now, are you thinking of the Book of Mormon?
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #27 - Jul 13th, 2018 at 7:44pm
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Limey. wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:53pm:
Now, are you thinking of the Book of Mormon?


Right, the Book of Mormon is entirely fictional.  The Bible definitely is not.
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #28 - Jul 14th, 2018 at 7:10pm
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Running Deer wrote on Jul 13th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
Right, the Book of Mormon is entirely fictional.  The Bible definitely is not.


I literally laughed out loud, several times, when I read the Book of Mormon.


How on Earth does anybody take that seriously?
  

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Re: Where's the evidence for nothing existing and then something existing?
Reply #29 - Jul 14th, 2018 at 9:19pm
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Glad we call all agree the Book of Mormon is a forgery.  Wink
  

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