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Lunar Recession - Why You Should Believe In Creation ...And Not Evolution
May 7th, 2018 at 4:40pm
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Excellent point.
  


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Re: Lunar Recession - Why You Should Believe In Creation ...And Not Evolution
Reply #1 - May 8th, 2018 at 2:58pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 4:40pm:


Excellent point.


I get the feeling this is more about promoting a young earth belief than a creation belief.  It also presumes there is conflict between a belief in an intelligent designer and a belief in evolution.  There is not.  The terms are not mutually exclusive.
  

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Re: Lunar Recession - Why You Should Believe In Creation ...And Not Evolution
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EF wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
I get the feeling this is more about promoting a young earth belief than a creation belief.  It also presumes there is conflict between a belief in an intelligent designer and a belief in evolution.  There is not.  The terms are not mutually exclusive.

So explain the idea that we are billions of year old which goes against the evidence of the moons movement.  I am all ears, but your statement does not counter the evidence.
  


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Reply #3 - May 8th, 2018 at 7:13pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
So explain the idea that we are billions of year old which goes against the evidence of the moons movement.  I am all ears, but your statement does not counter the evidence.


I don't know why I can't fall back on what young earthers do - the evidence is misunderstood.  That's what they say about carbon dating.

That the moon is receding at a more or less constant rate right now does not mean it always has.

edited to add  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Recession_of_the_Moon
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Re: Lunar Recession - Why You Should Believe In Creation ...And Not Evolution
Reply #4 - May 8th, 2018 at 7:53pm
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EF wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 7:13pm:
I don't know why I can't fall back on what young earthers do - the evidence is misunderstood.  That's what they say about carbon dating.

That the moon is receding at a more or less constant rate right now does not mean it always has.

edited to add  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Recession_of_the_Moon

Does not mean it always has, is there another theory that counters that the moon moves?  Your article has a lot of "could have" remarks.
  


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Seawolf wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 7:53pm:
Does not mean it always has, is there another theory that counters that the moon moves?  Your article has a lot of "could have" remarks.


I realize we are on two different ends of a spectrum of creation theory and neither of us is likely to move the other one.  All I can add is there is a whole lot more objective evidence in support of old earth than there is young earth.  And old earth belief does not contradict the Bible, IMO, if one recognizes the primary purpose of the Bible is God's progressive revelation to his creation.  IOW, it ain't meant to be no science book.
  

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Reply #6 - May 8th, 2018 at 8:52pm
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And my initial reply was meant to show that the title of your thread would more properly be "why you should belielve in a young earth rather than an old earth."  I will admit there are isolated pieces of evidence one can use to support one's belief in a young earth.  But for every ounce of such evidence, one must ignore at least ten pounds of evidence in support of an old earth.
  

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Re: Lunar Recession - Why You Should Believe In Creation ...And Not Evolution
Reply #7 - May 8th, 2018 at 9:40pm
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EF wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
I realize we are on two different ends of a spectrum of creation theory and neither of us is likely to move the other one.  All I can add is there is a whole lot more objective evidence in support of old earth than there is young earth.  And old earth belief does not contradict the Bible, IMO, if one recognizes the primary purpose of the Bible is God's progressive revelation to his creation.  IOW, it ain't meant to be no science book.

The issue with you link is that the individual wanted to make the discussion personal and was insulting.  Not a good start, he also received a warning for not providing a link to one of his pieces.
  


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Re: Lunar Recession - Why You Should Believe In Creation ...And Not Evolution
Reply #8 - May 10th, 2018 at 9:51pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
So explain the idea that we are billions of year old which goes against the evidence of the moons movement.  I am all ears, but your statement does not counter the evidence.



https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Recession_of_the_Moon


A few seconds on the net.

I looked at the sums; it would make my head hurt but I could check them out for current values.



Really hurt.
  

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