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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #150 - May 11th, 2018 at 6:57pm
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USyeah wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 12:00am:
and congress had NOTHING to do with Trump's actions either, 2 wrongs dont make a right

Why would Congress have anything to do with it? The deal was originally made without Congress. Trump didn't need Congress to undo it.
  


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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #151 - May 11th, 2018 at 7:10pm
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Limey. wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Is it possible that the secondary sanctions are intended somehow to be part of “America First”?

It seems they give your administration scope to really hurt some non-US players. Airbus, for example.


Quite how such arrogant, overbearing behaviour as extending your own foreign policy by prohibiting foreign companies from trading with Iran is seen as acceptable is beyond me. 


Just who the crappity smack do you think you are?


The US worries about a country run by crazy bastards getting nukes, and euroweenies worry about trade deals.  Reminiscent of Lenin saying the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.





  
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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #152 - May 11th, 2018 at 7:52pm
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patrick2 wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
The US worries about a country run by crazy bastards getting nukes, and euroweenies worry about trade deals.  Reminiscent of Lenin saying the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.








Turn it round.


We’re all worried about those lunatics getting nuked up.


We had an agreed plan to delay or stop it.


Your Government trashed the plan and threatens economic sanctions on its allies as part of the fall out.

Those sanctions will economically benefit US companies.

So- Iranian nukes are more likely, due to actions by the US which (coincidentally or not) benefit US companies.


The mirror image of your post.
  

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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #153 - May 12th, 2018 at 3:47pm
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Limey. wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
Turn it round.


We’re all worried about those lunatics getting nuked up.


We had an agreed plan to delay or stop it.


It didn't stop it.

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Your Government trashed the plan and threatens economic sanctions on its allies as part of the fall out.


The plan was fatally flawed:

- the inspection regime was a joke
- The Iranians can go back to their nukes in 7 years
- There was no stopping their ICBM development, the only purpose of which is to deliver nukes

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Those sanctions will economically benefit US companies.


Nonsense.

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So- Iranian nukes are more likely, due to actions by the US which (coincidentally or not) benefit US companies.


Utter hogwash.  Grin


  
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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #154 - May 12th, 2018 at 4:29pm
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Demos wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:43pm:


Awesome.

No real plan in place.  Possible sanctions that our allies won't follow.  And now they can just continue their nuke programs.

Not sure what was accomplished exactly.

Oh and courting policies of regime change.

It's like we never learn or something.
  

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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #155 - May 12th, 2018 at 9:09pm
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Lomelis wrote on May 12th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
Awesome.

No real plan in place.  Possible sanctions that our allies won't follow.  And now they can just continue their nuke programs.

Not sure what was accomplished exactly.

Oh and courting policies of regime change.

It's like we never learn or something.


But a lot of people who already voted for Mr. Trump will now vote for Mr. Trump.
  

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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #156 - May 12th, 2018 at 9:36pm
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what's the big deal? surely the Europeans can keep Iran in check, they don't need no stinking Trump, right    Roll Eyes
  
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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #157 - May 12th, 2018 at 9:43pm
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USyeah wrote on May 12th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
what's the big deal? surely the Europeans can keep Iran in check, they don't need no stinking Trump, right    Roll Eyes
It's in their backyard, they should be the ones handling it instead of pawning their problems on us.
  


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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #158 - May 12th, 2018 at 10:06pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 12th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
It's in their backyard, they should be the ones handling it instead of pawning their problems on us.



So why meddle since the 1940s then?
  

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Re: - Trump ends Obama's Iranian deal
Reply #159 - May 13th, 2018 at 12:35am
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...Mr. Bolton is emerging as an influential figure, with a clear channel to the president and an ability to control the voices he hears. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, who opposed leaving the deal but did not push the case as vocally toward the end, appears more isolated. And Mr. Pompeo may play a swing role, a hard-line former congressman and C.I.A. director who, in his new job, seems determined to give diplomacy a fair shot...

Even if Mr. Mattis had wanted to fight for the deal, it is not clear how much he would have been heard. Mr. Bolton, officials said, never convened a high-level meeting of the National Security Council to air the debate. He advised Mr. Trump in smaller sessions, otherwise keeping the door to his West Wing office closed. Mr. Bolton has forged a comfortable relationship with the president, several people said, channeling his “America First” vocabulary.

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There's a lot in this article, including about how close we reportedly were to a supplemental agreement between us and Europe re: Iran's missile and nuclear programs. But in a broader context, the highlighted portions above are deeply troubling - if accurate - because of Bolton's views on regime change.
  
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