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Interesting opinion piece
May 14th, 2018 at 12:02pm
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https://www.salon.com/2018/05/14/how-the-religious-right-is-shrinking-itself-ove...

How the religious right is shrinking itself: Overzealous Christianity is driving people away


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The story might just be a little more complicated, however than saying that a lot of loyal, churchgoing Christians suddenly lost faith after confronting homophobia in the pews.

"The people that end up leaving were pretty marginal to begin with," Djupe said, noting that this isn't "affecting those that are deeply committed to their churches."

A lot of people join a church because it's "socially desirable" in their communities, he explained, but attend infrequently. "The more that religion is out there doing things that some people disagree with," the more likely such marginal congregants are to cut all ties and make the once-taboo declaration that they have no religion at all. That means, of course, that the churches are left with the true believers.

In that scenario, Djupe explaned, among those people who are still religious, "There are actually more people that go to church a lot more. There are people that don’t go and there are people that go pretty frequently, and not as many marginal members as there used to be.”
  

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Re: Interesting opinion piece
Reply #1 - May 15th, 2018 at 11:40am
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EF wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 12:02pm:
https://www.salon.com/2018/05/14/how-the-religious-right-is-shrinking-itself-ove...

How the religious right is shrinking itself: Overzealous Christianity is driving people away


Interesting excerpt:

The story might just be a little more complicated, however than saying that a lot of loyal, churchgoing Christians suddenly lost faith after confronting homophobia in the pews.

"The people that end up leaving were pretty marginal to begin with," Djupe said, noting that this isn't "affecting those that are deeply committed to their churches."

A lot of people join a church because it's "socially desirable" in their communities, he explained, but attend infrequently. "The more that religion is out there doing things that some people disagree with," the more likely such marginal congregants are to cut all ties and make the once-taboo declaration that they have no religion at all. That means, of course, that the churches are left with the true believers.

In that scenario, Djupe explaned, among those people who are still religious, "There are actually more people that go to church a lot more. There are people that don’t go and there are people that go pretty frequently, and not as many marginal members as there used to be.”

I have real issues with defining a Christian religious right.  There is no such animal according to the gospels.  You are either a follower of Jesus or you are not.  Scripture discusses that God prefers us to be hot or cold but he does not tolerate lukewarm people.  Revelations 3:15-17.  So it appears that God wants us all in or all out according to his word.  It is why we have this warning.  Matt 7:21-23
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

Charles Carroll, signer of the DOI
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Seawolf wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 11:40am:
I have real issues with defining a Christian religious right.  There is no such animal according to the gospels.  You are either a follower of Jesus or you are not.  Scripture discusses that God prefers us to be hot or cold but he does not tolerate lukewarm people.  Revelations 3:15-17.  So it appears that God wants us all in or all out according to his word.  It is why we have this warning.  Matt 7:21-23


My personal opinion is that many in the so-called Christian religious right are more right wing than Christian. 
  

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EF wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 3:59pm:
My personal opinion is that many in the so-called Christian religious right are more right wing than Christian. 

Then please educate me what is a right wing Christian in CONTEXT to the teachings of Jesus?  The Bible says there is no wiggle room so I am failing to understand what a right wing Christian is.  To me you are either a follower of Christ or you are not, no right or left but I may have missed something in my Bible studies so please enlighten em.   Undecided
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Seawolf wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Then please educate me what is a right wing Christian in CONTEXT to the teachings of Jesus?  The Bible says there is no wiggle room so I am failing to understand what a right wing Christian is.  To me you are either a follower of Christ or you are not, no right or left but I may have missed something in my Bible studies so please enlighten em.   Undecided


There isn't one in context to the teachings of Jesus.  Right wing Christians are the ones that put politics above the teachings of Jesus.  Most of them are not, IMO, Christians in the first place.

You're right about either being a follower or not.  Jesus Himself said that all who claim to be one are not one.  I think most right wing Christians are among that group.
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Reply #5 - May 16th, 2018 at 7:15am
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EF wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 9:29pm:
There isn't one in context to the teachings of Jesus.  Right wing Christians are the ones that put politics above the teachings of Jesus.  Most of them are not, IMO, Christians in the first place.

You're right about either being a follower or not.  Jesus Himself said that all who claim to be one are not one.  I think most right wing Christians are among that group.

If you mean law abiders similar to the Pharisees and Sadducee, then I do agree with you.  That being that some take their walk and make it about works and the law rather then the grace and mercy God has given us.  Reading a book called "Forgotten God", by Francis Chan.  He says church has an issue of extinguishing the flame of Holy Spirit filled believers and immobilizing them, rather then enabling them.  I tend to agree.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2018 at 7:19am
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I also think you may be more correct then you realize, that we are so engrossed with our politics.  We put it about our studies and meditation, in essence, it becomes our gospel rather then God's word.  We become obsessed about politics rather then obsessed about his Word,  rather then obsessed about those who are perishing.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Seawolf wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 11:40am:
I have real issues with defining a Christian religious right.  There is no such animal according to the gospels.  You are either a follower of Jesus or you are not.  Scripture discusses that God prefers us to be hot or cold but he does not tolerate lukewarm people.  Revelations 3:15-17.  So it appears that God wants us all in or all out according to his word.  It is why we have this warning.  Matt 7:21-23



So the actual observation of your extremists means nothing, has nothing to do with anything and makes no difference as long as they believe.
Phelps, Rudolph and Hill are A-okay cause they be Believers

What a crock
  

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Reply #8 - May 16th, 2018 at 2:15pm
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billy.pilgrim wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 8:11am:
So the actual observation of your extremists means nothing, has nothing to do with anything and makes no difference as long as they believe.
Phelps, Rudolph and Hill are A-okay cause they be Believers

What a crock
First off you are walking in the middle of a discussion with two believers so I suspect you do not understand our context.  So I am not going to spend any time trying to explain myself to someone who does not even believe there is a God.  It would be a very large waste of my time.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Seawolf wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 7:15am:
If you mean law abiders similar to the Pharisees and Sadducee, then I do agree with you.  That being that some take their walk and make it about works and the law rather then the grace and mercy God has given us.  Reading a book called "Forgotten God", by Francis Chan.  He says church has an issue of extinguishing the flame of Holy Spirit filled believers and immobilizing them, rather then enabling them.  I tend to agree.


I don't mean just "law abiders." (You and I both know there are not many of those, especially among those who claim to be "law abiders.")    I mean mainly those who hide behind an alleged relationship to Jesus Christ that does not exist.  I think the group that is commonly referred to as the "religious right" in the media is crawling with people like that.
  

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