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Re: NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Complex Organic Matter on Mars
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Re: NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Complex Organic Matter on Mars
Reply #11 - Jun 8th, 2018 at 10:32am
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Internet President Bama Beau wrote on Jun 8th, 2018 at 9:41am:
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NASA scientists working on this project speculated today
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or support a life form stupid enough to put a trumP in their WH.

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But if there was a planet so stupid, it would have to be called "Planet of the Fakes"...

  

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Re: NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Complex Organic Matter on Mars
Reply #12 - Jun 8th, 2018 at 9:39pm
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so they wouldn't be stupid enough to run a candidate like Hillary against the longest shot to win EVER   Grin
  
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Re: NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Complex Organic Matter on Mars
Reply #13 - Jun 8th, 2018 at 9:41pm
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Wow.

The awesome news of the possibility of life on planet other than earth and Bama pisses in the punch bowl.

He is the ultimate definition of a buzz kill.
  

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Re: NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Complex Organic Matter on Mars
Reply #14 - Jun 8th, 2018 at 10:56pm
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The Fermi Paradox overlooks some important qualifications that are present here on Earth, which might be quite rare elsewhere.

Earth had a collision with another planetary body, which did two remarkable things.  It kicked up enough matter to eventually condense into our moon, which is very large for a rocky planet like ours.  And it set up conditions such that most of the iron from that collision sank to Earth's core, forming a spinning dynamo for a global magnetic field.

The moon protects us from a lot of collisions (with asteroids and comets) by complicating our orbital dynamics.  In essence, we are a binary planet.  The center of gravity is then based on our combined masses, not just Earth's.  That's what sets up the LaGrange points - areas of orbital stability between Earth and the moon.

The iron core protects us from all kinds of radiation, the ablative effects of solar wind, etc.

Mind you, the conditions for life aren't "perfect" - that one asteroid did kill the dinosaurs.  But then again, that was the act of chaos that set the stage for the rise of the mammals.  So you want a little chaos, but not so much that all life gets extinguished.

Then there are a few biological events that really shook things up.  One was when cyanobacteria nearly poisoned all life out of the planet by farting out oxygen.  Luckily, some life adapted to this new pollutant, and it turned out to support a much more energetic set of biological processes.

Another was the mind-boggling stroke of lightning when one life form (possibly a virus) colonized another, and collaborated rather than killed it.  The result was our complex cells, which have DNA in the nucleus AND separately in the mitochondria. 

This enabled cell specialization far beyond what bacteria had been capable of.  It also led directly to the dominance of male-female sexual reproduction, which has had an enormous stabilizing effect on evolutionary adaptation.

So, it's possible that the full set of Earth qualities is actually quite rare:
- rocky planet
- stable local stellar environment (no nearby supernovae)
- sufficient water in liquid form
- sufficient heat
- sufficient organic molecules
- binary planetary system (big moon)
- spinning iron core
- big collisions are rare (but not impossible)
- certain stunningly advantageous biological events happen
  

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Re: NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Complex Organic Matter on Mars
Reply #15 - Jun 8th, 2018 at 11:13pm
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but but but god could create life anywhere, right    Roll Eyes
  
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USyeah wrote on Jun 8th, 2018 at 11:13pm:
but but but god could create life anywhere, right    Roll Eyes


Between my theory (explaining the Fermi Paradox) and the Big Bang theory (let there be light), there is a case to be made that science and religion are not incompatible.
  

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Re: NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Complex Organic Matter on Mars
Reply #17 - Jun 9th, 2018 at 12:13am
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so I'll put you down for a I dunno know   Roll Eyes
  
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Re: NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Complex Organic Matter on Mars
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USyeah wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 12:13am:
so I'll put you down for a I dunno know   Roll Eyes


Then I didn't make myself clear.  I am suggesting there is more evidence for a creator than there is against one.
  

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Re: NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Complex Organic Matter on Mars
Reply #19 - Jun 9th, 2018 at 12:22am
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as I stated you don't know, thanks for repeating yourself.

  
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