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Re: Ecofascism on the march in California
Reply #10 - Jun 9th, 2018 at 11:33pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 11:18pm:
Suburbs can't be taxed?


Yes, by their local governments for reasonable purpose, like good schools.  Not for the purposes of corrupt democrat political machines in the stinking, filthy urban cesspools.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 9th, 2018 at 11:36pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 11:33pm:
Yes, by their local governments for reasonable purpose, like good schools.  Not for the purposes of corrupt democrat political machines in the stinking, filthy urban cesspools.


Suburban sprawl is directly subsidized by the government, including through the use of taxes to pay for free highways.
  

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forgotten centrist wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 11:36pm:
Suburban sprawl is directly subsidized by the government, including through the use of taxes to pay for free highways.


No, drivers, in particular long distance ones who commute from the suburbs, pay for the roads with the gas tax, which is plundered by lib politicians to fund their pet projects, like Governor Moonbeam's  high speed rail to nowhere, using cutting edge Japanese 1960s technology.
  
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 9th, 2018 at 11:39pm:
No, drivers, in particular long distance ones who commute from the suburbs, pay for the roads with the gas tax, which is plundered by lib politicians to fund their pet projects, like Governor Moonbeam's  high speed rail to nowhere, using cutting edge Japanese 1960s technology.


Gas taxes have never covered the full costs of roads, and these days they cover less than half.  Then there are the externalized costs of car dependency.  Air pollution does actually kill people, even here in the US, and suburban drivers are getting artificially cheap rides because they are free to pollute my lungs.

And incidentally, while politicians love to attack mass transit subsidies and the small percentage of gas taxes used to support them, those transit investments keep a lot of cars off the roads, and out of the way of suburban drivers.
  

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Re: Ecofascism on the march in California
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 12:12am:
Gas taxes have never covered the full costs of roads, and these days they cover less than half. 


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Then there are the externalized costs of car dependency.  Air pollution does actually kill people, even here in the US, and suburban drivers are getting artificially cheap rides because they are free to pollute my lungs.


How about the externalized benefits?  You get all kinds of things like groceries and medicines because trucks deliver them.

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And incidentally, while politicians love to attack mass transit subsidies and the small percentage of gas taxes used to support them,


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those transit investments keep a lot of cars off the roads, and out of the way of suburban drivers.


No they don't - public transportation in most places is used by poor people who otherwise would have no alternative transportation.
  
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Re: Ecofascism on the march in California
Reply #15 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:36am
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 3:22am:
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How about the externalized benefits?  You get all kinds of things like groceries and medicines because trucks deliver them.


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No they don't - public transportation in most places is used by poor people who otherwise would have no alternative transportation.


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Re: Ecofascism on the march in California
Reply #16 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:31am
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What happened with these billions? Grin


A key selling point was $2.7 billion set aside for additional water storage.
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