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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #10 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:44pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:38pm:
Exactly how does his speech outside of the courtroom jeopardizes the case?  Here in the states you can not be arrested for something similar, in fact, people often go to the courts and protest on the grounds without any fear of arrest.

I would like a response to this, as I have the same question.

How does speech (or filming, or whatever) outside of the building jeopardize the case?

I don't understand that. Maybe there's more, but that's how I currently understand it as well.
  

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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #11 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:25pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 4:44pm:
I would like a response to this, as I have the same question.

How does speech (or filming, or whatever) outside of the building jeopardize the case?

I don't understand that. Maybe there's more, but that's how I currently understand it as well.


If you read the judgement I linked, it’s made clear.

Mr. Yaxley-Lennon was not just filming, he was commenting. Using phrases like ‘Muslim pædophile rapists’, referring to the defendants. Not, you’ll note, the convicts. This was while the case was live.

Innocent until proven guilty and all that; putting such footage online breaks reporting rules. Journalists legitimately reporting the case use words like ‘the accused’ or ‘those alleged to have committed...’.


We’ve discussed the difference between US and British rules on trial reporting. Both have merit and both can be criticised.


Fact is, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon broke those rules and was punished for it.


Various people who’ve failed to understand this are now peddling a conspiracy/authoritarian bullshit line.


Mr. Yaxley-Lennon has often said very strongly worded things and is free to do so.


He’s not free to prejudice trials nor commit contempt of court. 
  

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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 7:01pm
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Did he yell this in the courtroom, if not then do tell how this is criminal?  In our country, it is not.  On the other hand if it is within the court then it becomes criminal, so I am not seeing how this can possibly impact the case.
  


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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #13 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 7:05pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Did he yell this in the courtroom, if not then do tell how this is criminal?  In our country, it is not.  On the other hand if it is within the court then it becomes criminal, so I am not seeing how this can possibly impact the case.




Looks like the brits have a tight hand on the throat of any media reports, only approved language is allowed, apparently this reporter broke the rules...   

Free speech is not allowed in Britain obviously,
  
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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #14 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 2:16am
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Seawolf wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Did he yell this in the courtroom, if not then do tell how this is criminal?  In our country, it is not.  On the other hand if it is within the court then it becomes criminal, so I am not seeing how this can possibly impact the case.



Again, I have explained.

See the link.
Page 7.

The Judge explains it rather well.


You may disagree with those rules but they're the ones we currently have,and they are not different just because of the political views of the person breaking them.

You have slightly different rules in America.

As I understand it, your trials are protected by a duty on the juror; ours are protected by a duty on the juror and a duty on others not to attempt to sway the juror, either directly or indirectly, the latter being a duty not to broadcast prejudicial material during a live trial.
  

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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #15 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 2:17am
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AmericanMom wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Looks like the brits have a tight hand on the throat of any media reports, only approved language is allowed, apparently this reporter broke the rules...   

Free speech is not allowed in Britain obviously,


He's not a reporter; that's partly why the judge was lenient and gave him a suspended sentence.
  

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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #16 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 4:02am
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This makes sense. Calling someone a "felon" for example when he's only "accused" could unduly damage someone's life, possibly forever. Not to mention that it's a lie.

Seaweed and his cohort are too stupid to understand that until they're impacted by something similar but it makes perfect sense.
  

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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #17 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:38am
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BowHunter wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 4:02am:
This makes sense. Calling someone a "felon" for example when he's only "accused" could unduly damage someone's life, possibly forever. Not to mention that it's a lie.

Seaweed and his cohort are too stupid to understand that until they're impacted by something similar but it makes perfect sense.


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A person who rapes young girls or any girls SHOULD be damaged forever, .. especially the foreign violent savage that has no regard for the hosts who already supports them and their monthly stipend.

The foreign immigrant bastard already likes to believe the British hosts owe them something special. If I had the power, ... I would deport every last one of those piece of shits. -- If they don't like it, they can blame their fellow foreign violent savages for it!   Sad

Everywhere they go, .. it never matters, be it Sweden, Germany, France, or Britain, or Italy .. all those violent Muslim cultures engage in rape and other forms of violence, like theft, robbery, assault, and then expect the hosts to support them with welfare, food, housing, and free legal help etc.  Cheesy

Some cultures are simply NOT civilized enough for them to be set loose upon the more civilized bands of society and IMO, .. Islam is one that cannot be unleashed on a civilized society, and I WILL tell it as it is, as the damn truth and needs to be said.
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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #18 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 7:43am
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BowHunter wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 4:02am:
This makes sense. Calling someone a "felon" for example when he's only "accused" could unduly damage someone's life, possibly forever. Not to mention that it's a lie.

Seaweed and his cohort are too stupid to understand that until they're impacted by something similar but it makes perfect sense.

Another Euro weenie with little concept of our freedoms,
  


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Re: London: Massive Crowds Gather to Hear Geert Wilders Demand Tommy Robinson’s Release
Reply #19 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 8:01am
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Limey. wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
If you read the judgement I linked, it’s made clear.

Mr. Yaxley-Lennon was not just filming, he was commenting. Using phrases like ‘Muslim pædophile rapists’, referring to the defendants. Not, you’ll note, the convicts. This was while the case was live.

Innocent until proven guilty and all that; putting such footage online breaks reporting rules. Journalists legitimately reporting the case use words like ‘the accused’ or ‘those alleged to have committed...’.


We’ve discussed the difference between US and British rules on trial reporting. Both have merit and both can be criticised.


Fact is, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon broke those rules and was punished for it.


Various people who’ve failed to understand this are now peddling a conspiracy/authoritarian bullshit line.


Mr. Yaxley-Lennon has often said very strongly worded things and is free to do so.


He’s not free to prejudice trials nor commit contempt of court. 

Got it.

I disagree with the British law in this regard, but I understand that he broke the law of his native and home country.

There's really no reason to debate this further.

I imagine there are people in Amsterdam or Portugal who are like "There are Americans in jail for getting caught with marijuana??"

And many Americans would defend those people being in jail. Not me. But that's what it is.
  

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