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Re: Oops - someone forgot to sign up for their white privilege card
Reply #110 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:10pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
It was a METAPHOR.  Roll Eyes


You're trying to blur over the institutionalized anti-white racism my conflating it with normal obstacles.  SURE everyone encounters obstacles.  For example, I had little money in university, that caused problems, nobody's fault.  That's ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from state-sponsored, unconstitutional, immoral, irrational racist discrimination.


Were the blacks who suffered from Jim Crow laws in the 1950s dead beats just trying to blame others?  Everyone who makes a complaint isn't a dead beat. 

Ah, so you do believe that racism is an obstacle for blacks.  Now we are getting somewhere.
  

Jasmine wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, I will go to his funeral very, very soon.


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Re: Oops - someone forgot to sign up for their white privilege card
Reply #111 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:13pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 2:59pm:
No, it's a class that the liberal establishment has selected out for unjust treatment.  THEY are the ones who started it.  It's idiotic to blame me for pointing out the collective lunacy that they created!

Oh I don't think that's even half way true. Tribalism is much older than the "liberal establishment."

And why would you self identify in a way that your enemy has determined for you, if that is indeed what has happened?
  

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Reply #112 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:17pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:10pm:
Ah, so you do believe that racism is an obstacle for blacks.  Now we are getting somewhere.


Nooooooooo........... this is 2018, not 1950.
  
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Reply #113 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:20pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:13pm:
Oh I don't think that's even half way true. Tribalism is much older than the "liberal establishment."

And why would you self identify in a way that your enemy has determined for you, if that is indeed what has happened?


You're completely confused.  Suppose a vigilante group formed and started hunting down every libertarian they could find.  Would you complain about it?  If you did, I could say "NYAHHHHHHH NYAHHHHH COLLECTIVIST SHOWS HIS TRUE COLORS!"  Grin
  
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Reply #114 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:22pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:17pm:
Nooooooooo........... this is 2018, not 1950.

And just as you believe that your obstacles are racist, so do many blacks
  

Jasmine wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:43pm:
Yes, I heard about this. Just goes to show McLame’s true loyalties. Hopefully, I will go to his funeral very, very soon.


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Reply #115 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:26pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:22pm:
And just as you believe that your obstacles are racist, so do many blacks


But facts are distinguishable from their beliefs.  The whole country is rigged for their benefit.  Besides the "affirmative action" that infects every institution in America, there are other things, such as the way the liberal media cheerleads for blacks and defames white men 24/7.
  
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Re: Oops - someone forgot to sign up for their white privilege card
Reply #116 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:28pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
You're completely confused.  Suppose a vigilante group formed and started hunting down every libertarian they could find.  Would you complain about it?  If you did, I could say "NYAHHHHHHH NYAHHHHH COLLECTIVIST SHOWS HIS TRUE COLORS!"  Grin


One can complain about the insanity of the SJW world, the issues with affirmative action, the non-issue of the pay gap, and point to all the problems with notions of cultural exploitation, mansplaining and white privilege and do so without being a collectivist. And do so without self identifying with white males as some kind of a victim group.

Resistance to leftwing collectivism does not necessitate us embracing some form of right wing collectivism.

To the extent we do so, we undermine the valid criticisms we have of the SJW world view.

In order to criticize the left wing collectivists, we need to be rooted in a thorough individualism. If we are rooted in any kind of tribal group think with other white people, we lose all ability to criticize the SJW enemy. Now its just one tribe against the other. There is no higher principle to appeal to.

And then "woke" white people become just another "flavor" of PC- a right wing version of the left's victimhood politics. That's no way to move forward in this grand discussion. It would be a losing position.
  

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Re: Oops - someone forgot to sign up for their white privilege card
Reply #117 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:32pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:28pm:
One can complain about the insanity of the SJW world, the issues with affirmative action, the non-issue of the pay gap, and point to all the problems with notions of cultural exploitation, mansplaining and white privilege and do so without being a collectivist. And do so without self identifying with white males as some kind of a victim group.



We are unproductively going in circles.  It's the LIBERAL ELITE who have selected out a group, defined by their race and gender, for unjust treatment.  THEY DID IT! Why don't you get that?  But I'm supposed to pretend it isn't the way it is, otherwise I'm a collectivist??
  
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Re: Oops - someone forgot to sign up for their white privilege card
Reply #118 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:37pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
We are unproductively going in circles.  It's the LIBERAL ELITE who have selected out a group, defined by their race and gender, for unjust treatment.  THEY DID IT! Why don't you get that?  But I'm supposed to pretend it isn't the way it is, otherwise I'm a collectivist??

I don't think that's what is being said.

You can be against the whole swath of race relations based social policy without being a collectivist. So that's not the issue.
  

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Re: Oops - someone forgot to sign up for their white privilege card
Reply #119 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:45pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
I don't think that's what is being said.

You can be against the whole swath of race relations based social policy without being a collectivist. So that's not the issue.


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