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A study in blind partisanship: What causes it?
Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:11pm
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One of the weak points of the LNF, in my view, is the high amount of posters who are completely incapable or unwilling to put aside partisanship in their posts. They are essentially shills or lemmings to their side and therefore bring no real value to any discussion.

These shills exist on both sides of the proverbial aisle. On the left, Ulysses and Wadsworth are two obvious examples. On the right, Stu is identically partisan.

This thread is about the psychology of this kind of behavior.

Just two questions:

1. Do you think shills like this actually fully believe what they are saying? Or is it an act?

2. Why do you think they are unable or unwilling to think independently? And which is it: unable or unwilling?

  


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Re: A study in blind partisanship: What causes it?
Reply #1 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:18pm
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1. Do you think shills like this actually fully believe what they are saying? Or is it an act?


Yes they believe it.

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2. Why do you think they are unable or unwilling to think independently? And which is it: unable or unwilling?


Anger, laziness.
  

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Re: A study in blind partisanship: What causes it?
Reply #2 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:25pm
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Jasmine wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
Just two questions:

1. Do you think shills like this actually fully believe what they are saying? Or is it an act?


Yes they honestly fully believe what they are saying. 

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2. Why do you think they are unable or unwilling to think independently? And which is it: unable or unwilling?


Unable. 

You'll notice that there are many on both the right and the left who actually break ranks on an issue here and there. 

I think people lose sight of the fact that the average IQ in the United States is 100.  A friend of mine used to refer to them as 85%'ers.  Suggesting that nearly everybody you meet is at or below the average 90 to 110 IQ mark.  I always thought he was just being a dick. Then I got involved in politics.

These people are entitled to their political opinions too.  This is a "Democracy" after all.  And there's a LOT of them.  And the Dunning-Kruger effect requires they look to others to give them their opinions without them even realizing that's what's happening.  Blind partisanship is born.

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Re: A study in blind partisanship: What causes it?
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Queshank wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Unable. 

I'm not sure if that's better or worse than unwilling.
  


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Re: A study in blind partisanship: What causes it?
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Jasmine wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
1. Do you think shills like this actually fully believe what they are saying? Or is it an act?

I believe they fully believe.

Hyper-partisan people behave as fundamentalist religious extremists behave, and for good reason. Their affiliation with their ideological team is filled with the same characteristics that powerfully cohesive and blindly loyal groups have had for all of human history.

The best way to emotionally secure loyalty to a group is to pound into the minds of the flock the incredible stakes that are at play, both from the benefits of supporting the group (salvation of the soul, planet, nation, etc.) and the catastrophic results of allowing the other group to win.

You see it in Christianity early on, and in Islam early on and again in the present. And you see it growing with political parties.
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I haven't had a lot of time to collect my thoughts on this. I'm just spitballing.

Jasmine wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
2. Why do you think they are unable or unwilling to think independently? And which is it: unable or unwilling?

It can be both, or one, or the other.

Very smart people fall victim to this. I have friends and family members that have extraordinary mental abilities in one discipline or another who fall victim to this mentality.

And it works with any ideology. Certainly libertarians are not immune.
  

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Re: A study in blind partisanship: What causes it?
Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:53pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:39pm:
It can be both, or one, or the other.

Very smart people fall victim to this. I have friends and family members that have extraordinary mental abilities in one discipline or another who fall victim to this mentality.

And it works with any ideology. Certainly libertarians are not immune.


None of these friends or family members with extraordinary mental abilities are capable of having an informed discussion about an issue?  You engage and they simply repeat the most basic talking points?  Almost like you're talking to a meme come to life?

I'll point out that Jasmine is doing a study in "blind" partisanship.  Not simply partisanship.  I think there's a difference between the two.

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I don't get this "blind partisanship".  Conservatives have a PROFOUNDLY different view from the leftwing of society, the role of government, and life in general.  I've often wondered why leftwingers believe the things they do - I have my theories.
  
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Re: A study in blind partisanship: What causes it?
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 5:57pm:
I don't get this "blind partisanship".  Conservatives have a PROFOUNDLY different view from the leftwing of society, the role of government, and life in general.  I've often wondered why leftwingers believe the things they do - I have my theories.

Blind partisans lack an ability to appreciate the hypocrisy coming from their own side.

They think they are fighting a battle against evil.

They think they enemy has ill intentions, zero good ideas and more or less a threat to civilization itself.
  

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Re: A study in blind partisanship: What causes it?
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 6:02pm:
Blind partisans lack an ability to appreciate the hypocrisy coming from their own side.

They think they are fighting a battle against evil.

They think they enemy has ill intentions, zero good ideas and more or less a threat to civilization itself.


I believe all those things, and there's nothing "blind" about it - it's a clear-eyed sober look at who the leftwing is, what they do, and what they want to do, and I'll defend my perception in rational debate, but those rarely occur around here.  Also notice that it's irrational to take two pretty much diametric opposite views and sort of fuzzily imply that one is good as the other, and, gosh darnit, can't we just get along?
  
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Re: A study in blind partisanship: What causes it?
Reply #9 - Jun 11th, 2018 at 7:03pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 11th, 2018 at 6:18pm:
I believe all those things, and there's nothing "blind" about it - it's a clear-eyed sober look at who the leftwing is, what they do, and what they want to do, and I'll defend my perception in rational debate, but those rarely occur around here.  Also notice that it's irrational to take two pretty much diametric opposite views and sort of fuzzily imply that one is good as the other, and, gosh darnit, can't we just get along?   


Here is an example of blind partisanship:

I hate Russia. I hate Vladimir Putrid. I have always considered Russia an enemy, and I always will. I would rather destroy Russia then befriend them. When Obama tried to be buddies with them, I criticized him.

Today, Trump is cozying up to Putrid. Now, if I started praising Trump for trying to make friends with Russia, that would be hypocritical of me. And if I don't even recognize my own hypocrisy, that is blind partisanship.
  


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