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Solar installations in US now bigger than all other types combined
Jun 12th, 2018 at 11:58pm
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Despite tariffs that President Trump imposed on imported panels, the U.S. installed more solar energy than any other source of electricity in the first quarter.

Developers installed 2.5 gigawatts of solar in the first quarter, up 13 percent from a year earlier, according to a report Tuesday from the Solar Energy Industries Association and GTM Research. That accounted for 55 percent of all new generation, with solar panels beating new wind and natural gas turbines for a second straight quarter.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-12/solar-surpasses-gas-and-wind-...

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So even WITH the Trump tariffs on chinese panels, solar is the biggest slice of all new power installations.  I wonder what Trump is going to do next to protect King Coal from this onslaught.

"But solar can't power the US!  What about at night?  Or on cloudy days?"  Teams are working on that, too:

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Re: Solar installations in US now bigger than all other types combined
Reply #1 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 12:01am
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I guess Trump's tariffs won't destroy the economy after all.

Another apocalypse avoided.

Good to know.
  

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Re: Solar installations in US now bigger than all other types combined
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Ars Longa, Vita Bert wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 12:01am:
I guess Trump's tariffs won't destroy the economy after all.

Another apocalypse avoided.

Good to know.


Nitwit.

The stats are on installations made good BEFORE Trump's tariffs took effect. A number of solar companies stocked up on the pre-tariff cheaper panels in anticipation. As those are used up, the effect of the tariffs on solar deployment will become more clear. But already there are numerous reports of various solar installation companies cancelling contracts, especially commercial ones.

In other words, Jasmine Jr, don't do  your happy Snoopy dance just yet. It's premature.
  

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Re: Solar installations in US now bigger than all other types combined
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Ulysses wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 12:56am:
Nitwit.

The stats are on installations made good BEFORE Trump's tariffs took effect. A number of solar companies stocked up on the pre-tariff cheaper panels in anticipation. As those are used up, the effect of the tariffs on solar deployment will become more clear. But already there are numerous reports of various solar installation companies cancelling contracts, especially commercial ones.

In other words, Jasmine Jr, don't do  your happy Snoopy dance just yet. It's premature.

forgotten centrist wrote on Jun 12th, 2018 at 11:58pm:
Despite tariffs that President Trump imposed on imported panels, the U.S. installed more solar energy than any other source of electricity in the first quarter.

Developers installed 2.5 gigawatts of solar in the first quarter, up 13 percent from a year earlier, according to a report Tuesday from the Solar Energy Industries Association and GTM Research. That accounted for 55 percent of all new generation, with solar panels beating new wind and natural gas turbines for a second straight quarter.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-12/solar-surpasses-gas-and-wind-...

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So even WITH the Trump tariffs on chinese panels, solar is the biggest slice of all new power installations.  I wonder what Trump is going to do next to protect King Coal from this onslaught.

"But solar can't power the US!  What about at night?  Or on cloudy days?"  Teams are working on that, too:

* * *

The world needs radical new energy technologies to fight climate change. In 2016, Quartz reported that a group of billionaires—including Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Jack Ma, Mukesh Ambani, and Richard Branson—launched Breakthrough Energy Ventures (BEV) to invest at least $1 billion in creating those technologies.

Now, 18 months later, Quartz can reveal the first two startups that BEV will be investing in: Form Energy and Quidnet Energy. Both companies are developing new technologies to store energy, but taking completely different approaches to achieve that goal.

https://qz.com/1302711/to-hit-climate-goals-bill-gates-and-his-billionaire-frien...



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Re: Solar installations in US now bigger than all other types combined
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Solar remains a very small piddling contributor to US energy:

  
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Re: Solar installations in US now bigger than all other types combined
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Ars Longa, Vita Bert wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 1:12am:
You are one dumb whiny bitch.


Not so fast, you slimy retarded numbskull:

Trump's Solar Tariff May Cost Up to 23,000 U.S. Jobs

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Since 2010, the U.S. solar power sector had been growing rapidly, but then slowed 2017. Over those seven years, the solar workforce increased 168%, but now, with the tariffs, the industry may be at a standstill.

The 30% tariff on imported panels, which President Trump announced in January, will last four years and decrease 5% each year. While the tariff may encourage investment in solar manufacturing stateside, it will cost up to 23,000 workers their jobs, Abigail Ross Hopper, president of the Solar Energy Industries Association, told the New York Times.

“The tariffs have slowed down the growth of our industry,” she said, citing the higher cost of domestically produced solar panels. “And that means jobs are not being created.”

Solar developers said the levy would raise the cost of major solar installations by 10% at the outset. Developers that couldn’t afford the increased cost had to shut down development of their installations.

Because of the tariff, McCarthy Building Companies had to cut its planned workforce of 1,200 people over several projects this year to around 600, according to senior vice president of renewable energy Scott Canada.

The tariff is changing the math on which markets are feasible for solar projects. Last year, developers were looking to expand services in the Midwest, but the renewable energy incentives in blue states like Massachusetts make that a safer bet for development now.

Despite the tariff, some firms continue to move forward in the Midwest in the hopes of gaining a financial advantage in the area after the tariff is phased out. Others stockpiled foreign-made solar panels before the tariff was imposed so that they could continue their work without worrying about the levy, at least for a while.




Billions in U.S. solar projects shelved after Trump panel tariff


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President Donald Trump’s tariff on imported solar panels has led U.S. renewable energy companies to cancel or freeze investments of more than $2.5 billion in large installation projects, along with thousands of jobs, the developers told Reuters.

That’s more than double the about $1 billion in new spending plans announced by firms building or expanding U.S. solar panel factories to take advantage of the tax on imports.

The tariff’s bifurcated impact on the solar industry underscores how protectionist trade measures almost invariably hurt one or more domestic industries for every one they shield from foreign competition. Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs, for instance, have hurt manufacturers of U.S. farm equipment made with steel, such as tractors and grain bins, along with the farmers buying them at higher prices.

White House officials did not respond to a request for comment.

Trump announced the tariff in January over protests from most of the solar industry that the move would chill one of America’s fastest-growing sectors.

Solar developers completed utility-scale installations costing a total of $6.8 billion last year, according to the Solar Energy Industries Association. Those investments were driven by U.S. tax incentives and the falling costs of imported panels, mostly from China, which together made solar power competitive with natural gas and coal.

The U.S. solar industry employs more than 250,000 people - about three times more than the coal industry - with about 40 percent of those people in installation and 20 percent in manufacturing, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

“Solar was really on the cusp of being able to completely take off,” said Zoe Hanes, chief executive of Charlotte, North Carolina solar developer Pine Gate Renewables.

GTM Research, a clean energy research firm, recently lowered its 2019 and 2020 utility-scale solar installation forecasts in the United States by 20 percent and 17 percent, respectively, citing the levies.

Officials at Suniva - a Chinese-owned, U.S.-based solar panel manufacturer whose bankruptcy prompted the Trump administration to consider a tariff - did not respond to requests for comment.

Companies with domestic panel factories are divided on the policy. Solar giant SunPower Corp (SPWR.O) opposes the tariff that will help its U.S. panel factories because it will also hurt its domestic installation and development business, along with its overseas manufacturing operations.

“There could be substantially more employment without a tariff,” said Chief Executive Tom Werner.







  

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Re: Solar installations in US now bigger than all other types combined
Reply #6 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:47am
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 2:05am:
Solar remains a very small piddling contributor to US energy:

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/images/charts/energy_consumption_by_source_l...



Did anyone notice renewable energy  isn't far from the coal numbers?
  

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patrick2 wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 2:05am:
Solar remains a very small piddling contributor to US energy:


Even as a piddling contributor, all the jobs are in solar.  Just imagine what it will be like 10 years from now, when solar employs a million or more US workers...

  

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Reply #8 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 7:35am
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I think it should be mentioned that there are environmental issues associated with solar power...such as that the panels don't last forever and some (maybe all) contain heavy metals that are toxic. They will need to go to land fills to be buried. Solar panels can be anchored to roofs that may be damaged during wind storms, or they take up large areas of land to generate sufficient energy.

Then, there's the problem of falling SREC prices that these solar projects once counted upon those prices rising forever in order to adequately fund their installation and maintenance costs.
  
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Re: Solar installations in US now bigger than all other types combined
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 7:26am:
Even as a piddling contributor, all the jobs are in solar. 


Yikes. Doesn't that seem inefficient?

If solar is producing far fewer gigawatts than other forms of energy, why does it take so many more jobs to get that done?

I'm not asking to be combative or antagonistic, just looking at it from a 40,000 foot view.


For the record, I hope solar becomes more available and more efficient. I don't care about that.
  

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